Connie Sutherland wrote 11/07/2008 06:17 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: ann freier ] #215235 - 11/07/2008 06:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ann freier .... i love reading threads on this as i'm not so very good at it. In what way? Have you gotten as far as loading your marker? Where do you run into problems? I've turned into a walking marker training ad.
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Carol Boche wrote 11/07/2008 07:10 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: ann freier ] #215245 - 11/07/2008 07:10 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: ann freier OT,how much/did you get much snow, carol? pssst Ann... http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=215207#Post215207 Now back to Marker Training...sorry peeps. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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ann freier wrote 11/08/2008 11:58 AM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: Carol Boche ] #215307 - 11/08/2008 11:58 AM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	well, that's titled "70 degrees.."--how was i to guess?? back OT!!
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ann freier wrote 11/08/2008 12:08 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #215308 - 11/08/2008 12:08 PM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	Quote: connie sutherland  Quote: ann freier .... i love reading threads on this as i'm not so very good at it. In what way? Have you gotten as far as loading your marker? Where do you run into problems? I've turned into a walking marker training ad. well, "loading the marker", IDK!! w/Brix, when i was trying marker training for the first time, i had treats with me all the time he was out of his crate, and if he offered me, or just did, a "sit" for example, i said "good sit", then treat. i think with him i had a half-a$$ed idea of what to do, but did a fair amount of luring also for, for example, correct "fuss" position, which i named for him as "by heel", b/c when he was a young pup, club members had told me to mark ANY eye contact and name it "fuss". so i could tell him "fuss", he would immediately make and eventually maintain eye contact from wherever he was--but it didn't mean the basic position to him. so understanding loading the marker may be a very good thing for me to get clear first! and i can experiment on Gracie
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/08/2008 12:20 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: ann freier ] #215309 - 11/08/2008 12:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/08/2008 12:26 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #215311 - 11/08/2008 12:26 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Here is a bare-bones simple command, almost as simple as, say, eye contact (which is a very good behavior to mark-reward) for after you have loaded your marker. If the dog already knows a good sit, you can ask for sit, and the instant the butt touches the ground, mark (only once!), then reward. If not, you can lure into the sit (which I am happy to describe if you have not tried that) and again, the second the butt touches the floor, mark and reward. Remember that the marker means that the command is over. So you are not expecting a sit-stay at this point. Later you can extend the time between the butt-touch and the marker, but let's forget anything like that for now. I found it much easier both to refine my timing and to teach marker work to other owners by focusing on very simple loading and then very simple commands for a while (like eye contact and sit). Shaping and far more complex behaviors will follow, but I like starting simply and easily.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/08/2008 12:28 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #215313 - 11/08/2008 12:28 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	You will "get" its power with one simple command, but then just wait until you see where you can take this system here: http://leerburg.com/219.htm
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ann freier wrote 11/08/2008 05:41 PM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #215340 - 11/08/2008 05:41 PM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	so loading the marker is simply teaching the dog that the mark, ie "yes", means a reward is coming. period. once the dog gets that "yes" = reward, THEN i can start doing either behavior+"yes"=reward, or command (in Gracie's case, she knows "sit")+ "yes"= reward. assuming she sits, haha. so with her, i'm going to start loading the marker this weekend (she's VERY food-driven, so that'll make it easy ). luring i think i have down; Brix figured out quickly that only a perfect "by heel" = treat; if it wasn't perfect, i would just step away from him and try again. but i KNEW there was a more efficient way to do it--loading the mark would've made it easier/quicker for both of us. (i do miss my boy ). so i'll play w/Grace some this weekend, and check out the link, and, i'm SURE, have more questions thanks, as always, connie, et al...
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Bob Scott wrote 11/09/2008 12:51 AM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: ann freier ] #215382 - 11/09/2008 12:51 AM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Think of marker training (word or clicker) as Pavlov's bell. The bell rings and the dog salivates even without food in view. From my understanding and expierience, the dog starts to view the marker/click almost as a reward in itself. As with any training, the timing is everything! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 11/09/2008 10:15 AM Re: I Started Marker Training Today And... [Re: Bob Scott ] #215398 - 11/09/2008 10:15 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Bob Scott Think of marker training (word or clicker) as Pavlov's bell. 'Zackly! In fact, the video http://leerburg.com/219.htm has a section where Ed talks about Pavlov's Response. Mine lick their lips even when they hear the marker that they know is for another dog.
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