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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#257865 - 11/27/2009 11:40 AM |
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he had duck too - he had rabbit only once - if the protein source was introduced even only once its not good anymore for a elimination diet??
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Re: itching/scratching
[Re: Mike Bellemare ]
#257871 - 11/27/2009 12:15 PM |
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he had duck too - he had rabbit only once - if the protein source was introduced even only once its not good anymore for a elimination diet??
That's correct. This has been explained in detail here, but briefly, in a true allergic response, antibodies that are created to fight a certain antigen hang out in the body, ready for any future intrusion by that antigen.
An elimination diet is made of limited ingredients, neither of which the dog has ever eaten. (Here's an overview: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2&aid=143 Scroll down to Elimination Diet.)
I'm asking you all this so you can start to weigh which is going to be the simpler first step (steroids or the elimination diet) to determine whether it's food or atopy. What was the preference of the derm vet?
Usually, I believe that treating atopy fails (along with stringent ruling out of fleas, other parasites, and other skin-itch possibilities) before the elimination diet is started.
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#257886 - 11/27/2009 01:15 PM |
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Has the dog ever has ostrich? I know that Bravo brand (frozen premade dog food) has an ostrich formula. You might be able to get that. I comes with the bone, organ meat & veggies in it. I have used Bravo on occasion for very young pups. It is not cheap, but it would be doable for a couple of months, I would think. Just a thought.
ETA: here is the Bravo linc
http://www.bravorawdiet.com/
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#257902 - 11/27/2009 03:53 PM |
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What about goat? Or mutton?
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#257903 - 11/27/2009 04:36 PM |
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Good catch Angela, I feed goat & forgot to mention that one.
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#258004 - 11/28/2009 11:54 PM |
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he had goat but not mutton and not ostrich...very good ideas...i knew there had to be some animals i haven't fed him 
since then i went on with the steroids (3rd day today) and scratching has gone down at least 80% already...if he scratched 6 times total today it's a lot...and usually he clocks that number in the first hour i'm awake to notice.
Also following the side effects advertised by the vet, he's pissing enough liquid to make a race horse shy...
Not too sure yet what qualifies as satisfactory evidence that the allergy is environmental but i will ask monday.
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#258026 - 11/29/2009 11:53 AM |
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he had goat but not mutton and not ostrich...very good ideas...i knew there had to be some animals i haven't fed him
since then i went on with the steroids (3rd day today) and scratching has gone down at least 80% already...if he scratched 6 times total today it's a lot...and usually he clocks that number in the first hour i'm awake to notice.
Also following the side effects advertised by the vet, he's pissing enough liquid to make a race horse shy...
Not too sure yet what qualifies as satisfactory evidence that the allergy is environmental but i will ask monday.
Then you did go with the steroids first. That actually is by far the more often-recommended protocol (food allergies being so less common).
IMO, you are seeing clear evidence of atopy. Again, that is by far the most common type of dog allergy (after flea hypersensitivity). I would imagine that the intradermal testing is going to come up at a vet appointment soon.
eta
Atopy usually refers to intensely itchy skin from inhalant allergies. Molds, pollen, and dust mites are frequent culprits. It's true that technically the term "atopic dermatitis" would encompass food allergies too, but in common usage, the two are split and atopy means inhalant/environmental.
Edited by Connie Sutherland (11/29/2009 11:57 AM)
Edit reason: eta
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Re: itching/scratching
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#258216 - 11/30/2009 05:39 PM |
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so I'm now phasing out the steroids, waiting 4 weeks and going to get the test done.
Looks like i'm going to have to inject him for the rest of his life as per the immunotherapy!
Melissa, how does that work for you and your dog?
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#258218 - 11/30/2009 05:46 PM |
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so I'm now phasing out the steroids, waiting 4 weeks and going to get the test done.
Looks like i'm going to have to inject him for the rest of his life as per the immunotherapy!
Melissa, how does that work for you and your dog?
The tests may reveal allergens that can be eliminated from the dog's environment.
And the desensitizing injections are a series that starts with frequent larger injection dosages of the solution made up for your dog by the lab that evaluates the responses to the intradermal test, and then the doses are tapered off.
That is, immunotherapy is not what the reference to Atopica was. Atopica is sometimes presented as an alternative to immunotherapy.
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#258227 - 11/30/2009 06:01 PM |
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Ok, I'll do some research to see the pros and cons of each (the vet can surely help on that too).
I want the most natural solution possible...
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