The dictionary is that big, dusty book in the corner, right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Gotta go to work.
Originally posted by L Swanston: Me too, but when people start quoting the dictionary, it seems a little out of context to me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
without trying to sound "defensive":
don't you think that for all the textbook behaviorism that is involved in dog training, perhaps the dictionary is not such a bed source of information.
To losely quote a friend:
"you can choose to not believe in gravity all you want, objects still fall down"
Matt, the problem with the dictionary is that it gives several definitions for one term, which you choose depending upon in what context the term is being used. I think that it's important to clarify which definition we're referring to, in the *specific* context of dog training.
Originally posted by L Swantson: Matt, the problem with the dictionary is that it gives several definitions for one term, which you choose depending upon in what context the term is being used. I think that it's important to clarify which definition we're referring to, in the *specific* context of dog training.
Quote:
Originally posted by Matt M.: Here is the problem:
the deffinition of compulsion in a dog training context, is very different from the dictionary deffinition
in dog training "we" use compulsion to mean any force based method of trainin/teaching.
but... by denotation, compulsion means to cause an organism to do something that it would not normally do... meaning that inducive methods can compel...
========================================
Merriam Webster says:
Main Entry: com·pul·sion
Pronunciation: k&m-'p&l-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French, from Late Latin compulsion-, compulsio, from Latin compellere to compel
Date: 15th century
1 a : an act of compelling : the state of being compelled b : a force that compels
2 : an irresistible impulse to perform an irrational act
===============================================
using deffinition 2, we could go on to say that a parent could use a ticket to Disney World to "compell" their child to clean their room.. but no person would consider the use of the ticket to be "aversive" would they?
...when all (positive or negative)dog training is operant conditioning.
Careful there, or you'll start a whole nother debate.... not all dog training is OC.
You're right not ALL. It's the combo but their execution of exercises or teaching is OC. right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Without the feeling part/CC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001
Posts: 3916
Loc:
Offline
Matt, thank you for fighting the good fight. I think you, in your first handful of posts, made most of my points clearly. So I see no reason to re-state them.
Fighting the good fight? Oh brother! :rolleyes: I thought we were having a very nice discussion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Let me try again. Inducement is where the dog is motivated to perform a certain action or behavior in anticipation of a reward. Compulsion is where the dog is made uncomfortable doing anything but the desired behavior.
When purchasing any product from Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. it is understood
that any and all products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. are sold in Dunn
County Wisconsin, USA. Any and all legal action taken against Leerburg Enterprises,
Inc. concerning the purchase or use of these products must take place in Dunn
County, Wisconsin. If customers do not agree with this policy they should not
purchase Leerburg Ent. Inc. products.
Dog Training is never without risk of injury. Do not use any of the products
sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. without consulting a local professional.
The training methods shown in the Leerburg Ent. Inc. DVD’s are meant
to be used with a local instructor or trainer. Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. cannot
be held responsible for accidents or injuries to humans and/or animals.
Copyright 2010 Leerburg® Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved. All photos and content on leerburg.com are part of a registered copyright owned by Leerburg Enterprise, Inc.
By accessing any information within Leerburg.com, you agree to abide by the
Leerburg.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Top
Previous Topic
Index
Next Topic
.jpg)
