 Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#255370 - 10/23/2009 07:02 PM |
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But policing them in the kitchen isn't really going to change the dynamics for some future time when/if no one is there to do so.
I don't really see that the situation would be somehow better if the dogs had always been policed in one room or separated into different rooms in the past.
Failure of imagination, maybe. 
Well I couldn't disagree with that more.
You have to agree that dogs can be conditioned to behave in a certain way, correct?
I'll assume you agree, if you don't then watch the video of Logan and the chickens again. 
If logan and the chickens alway ate separately, and one day the situation in the video arose with no supervision, do you think the chances of that same out come would be as likely?
Am I getting ya there? 
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Brian Blanchette ]
#255372 - 10/23/2009 07:08 PM |
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LOL!
See, I am thinking that reversion to pack behavior would override learned behavior where food is involved.
Logan and the chickens is really an unrelated situation, I think. No dog pack.
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
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#255373 - 10/23/2009 07:09 PM |
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I　guess I just assumed that because the chicken were allowed to bother Logan at meal time, that was what Brian did at home, LOL.
I don't really think it matters whether you feed in one room or 4 different rooms, as long as the dogs are eating in peace.
When we go on vacation, we board the dogs at our vet, the dogs are separated into 4 kennels and each is fed in its own kennel.
lol I don't torment my animals ALL the time.
Vacation, I guess, is not the best example.
How about this, the dogs are out playing in the yard and the less than dog savvy neighbor decides to feed your pack some leftovers.
There are hundreds of different situations that can't be controlled.
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#255374 - 10/23/2009 07:12 PM |
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LOL!
See, I am thinking that reversion to pack behavior would override learned behavior where food is involved.
Logan and the chickens is really an unrelated situation, I think. No dog pack.
Again, I disagree, I think it's completely relevant. Because we are not only talking about "the pack" we are talking about "learned behavior".
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Brian Blanchette ]
#255375 - 10/23/2009 07:14 PM |
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How about this, the dogs are out playing in the yard and the less than dog savvy neighbor decides to feed your pack some leftovers.
OMG! That would so not be allowed to happen! They would never in a million years be loose in the yard en masse without me!
But let's assume for the sake of argument that it happened. I have zero expectation that their experience of being policed in the house when they were fed their suppers would alter their reaction to this situation one iota.
The level of aggression (if any) would depend on the pack (and the individual dogs), but I don't see it being influenced by my previous mealtime policing at all.
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I don't even see the dogs generalizing the mealtime policing to cover found food in a totally different situation, a new situation (without even having my presence).
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#255383 - 10/23/2009 07:45 PM |
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How about this, the dogs are out playing in the yard and the less than dog savvy neighbor decides to feed your pack some leftovers.
OMG! That would so not be allowed to happen! They would never in a million years be loose in the yard en masse without me!
But let's assume for the sake of argument that it happened. I have zero expectation that their experience of being policed in the house when they were fed their suppers would alter their reaction to this situation one iota.
The level of aggression (if any) would depend on the pack (and the individual dogs), but I don't see it being influenced by my mealtime policing at all.
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I don't even see the dogs generalizing the mealtime policing to cover found food in a totally different situation, a new situation (without even having my presence).
sigh....you're a tough one Connie.
I think if our packs are conditioned to eat only their own food with zero aggression allowed......that carries over to all other food situations involving the same pack.
That's not to say that all unforeseen situations will have zero aggression or (lol) that the dogs will only eat their share, just that the pack will be better conditioned to deal with the situation than a pack like Mel's who never eats as a pack.
(whoops did I just poke Mel again? lol)
There......I'm getting tired now
I will agree to disagree if you will Connie
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Brian Blanchette ]
#255385 - 10/23/2009 07:50 PM |
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(whoops did I just poke Mel again? lol)
Haha, I thought I was going to stop, but you had to start again.
Just kidding. Very interesting thread though.
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Brian Blanchette ]
#255388 - 10/23/2009 08:17 PM |
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... I will agree to disagree if you will Connie
Maybe.
Maybe they would even cooperate. Like my granddogs (Border Terriers) who were caught with the female standing on the male's back so she could reach into the kitchen trash and pull stuff out for them. (I wish I had been privy to those negotiations.)
So along those lines, maybe my dogs would band together to take down that neighbor handing out bits and pieces and get ALL the food.
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chic
[Re: Brian Blanchette ]
#255475 - 10/25/2009 06:14 AM |
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Hello Brian:
I admire your success in getting dogs and chickens to live together.
It seems that supervised feeding works in your situation.
On the issue of conditioning: it would seem they are conditioned to your supervision, not merely to eating together. It is clear you have a nice easy going, yet disciplined situation.
I am not at all sure they would be so well behaved with a substitute supervisor while you are on holiday.
Why bother finding out?
Why put a person helping you with your dog at risk?
I don't see there is a scientific basis to presume that a pack of dogs, conditioned to eating together under your supervision (as pack leader) will maintain this social hierarchy when another leader subbed in. In fact, it is a recipe for a change in pack structure. therefore risk of conflict.
Maybe you've addressed this in your training and I suppose you can train for anything.
However I doubt it makes for happier dogs to feed them in a group. There will always be a tension involved. AM
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Re: My Doberman, Logan sharing breakfast with chickens
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#256208 - 11/05/2009 05:47 AM |
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Cute!
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