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Natalya Zahn wrote 04/02/2010 12:04 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Mike Arnold ] #271454 - 04/02/2010 12:04 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: mike arnold When we take on a dog, we take it on. We understand the dog may have some issues we have to work on - at least that is my view of my narrowly defined world. Issues come and go and we address them as they manifest. If it ain't meds, it is training. I am not anything if not overly simplistic. Dearest, most humble, Mike... sometimes I just want to print out all those "simplistic" little gems of your experience that you share with us (I'm sure you'd balk if I went ahead and called it "wisdom" ) and leave them taped prominently around my life - lightening rods of sorts, to ground and diffuse those frustrating dog/human moments whenever, wherever (and they will) pop up. Sometimes the most effective solution IS just a reminder of the simple things, and a reset back to basics... ~Natalya
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Nancy Black wrote 04/02/2010 12:11 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Marcia Blum ] #271455 - 04/02/2010 12:11 PM
Nancy Black Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2003 Posts: 63 Loc: Florida Offline	Dear Marcia, I tried place training a year ago, did'nt work as it is very hard to set this up unless you have someone who will come over frequently to ring doorbell and I don't. It did'nt take long for Kobe to realize that his Daddy was ringing the doorbell so that was futile. I even taped the sound of the doorbell, he figured that out too. I have found that it is alot easier to teach a dog to DO something than NOT to do something. Which is why I have dim hopes of reversing what he is doing now with lunging at people as his way of showing how big & vicious he can be. I really think he needs a psychiratrist more than a vet, but hope I am wrong. Nancy
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 04/02/2010 12:27 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Nancy Black ] #271456 - 04/02/2010 12:27 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	Hi Nancy,  Quote: Nancy Black I really think he needs a psychiratrist more than a vet, but hope I am wrong. What he needs is a very good trainer (if this is not a medical issue). Try to find one to work with you personally and to teach you how to train your dog.
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Tammy Moore wrote 04/02/2010 12:39 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Nancy Black ] #271457 - 04/02/2010 12:39 PM
Tammy Moore Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2010 Posts: 1564 Loc: USA Offline	I was as confused as Mike! I thought this situation was "out of the blue!" Shiela was on the ball for reading previous posts. I read back some, did you have another dog that was displaying "sudden" aggressive behavior while camping? How was his behavior modified? Does your dog show any other signs of thyroid problems, such as, lack of appetite, lethargic, weight changes, change in the condition of his coat? Many thyroid conditions in dogs seem to manifest as a dog gets older. The dog I had was 4, he had some other symptoms, and his behavior was truly "out of the blue!" I really think, and hope, this is something you can work with.
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Tracy Collins wrote 04/02/2010 01:16 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Nancy Black ] #271459 - 04/02/2010 01:16 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Quote: Nancy Black I have found that it is alot easier to teach a dog to DO something than NOT to do something. Which is why I have dim hopes of reversing what he is doing now You are probably right that it's easier to teach a dog to do something than not to do something...but in that revelation could also be your answer. Or at least a start. If you know your dog will react (or if you're paying attention to the cues he gives before he reacts)--give him SOMETHING ELSE to do. A down? Touch your hand? Heel and walk in the opposite direction of the trigger? Is he food or toy motivated, and are you carrying those things with you on outings to reward good behavior? Assuming, like everyone else here, that you can rule out any physical pathology (which I tend to doubt), this is simply about you getting creative in your training. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalya Zahn wrote 04/02/2010 01:29 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Tracy Collins ] #271461 - 04/02/2010 01:29 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins You are probably right that it's easier to teach a dog to do something than not to do something...but in that revelation could also be your answer. Or at least a start. If you know your dog will react (or if you're paying attention to the cues he gives before he reacts)--give him SOMETHING ELSE to do. A down? Touch your hand? Heel and walk in the opposite direction of the trigger? Is he food or toy motivated, and are you carrying those things with you on outings to reward good behavior? Yup, what she said... ~Natalya
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/02/2010 01:56 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Tracy Collins ] #271463 - 04/02/2010 01:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: tracy collins  Quote: nancy black I have found that it is alot easier to teach a dog to DO something than NOT to do something. Which is why I have dim hopes of reversing what he is doing now You are probably right that it's easier to teach a dog to do something than not to do something...but in that revelation could also be your answer. My constant training mantra is exactly that: Teach what you do want instead of focusing on correcting what you don't want. Our dogs need training. It's up to us to provide it. It's not always simple and it usually requires repetition and patience and consistency. But you have readied the dog for his CGC. You can do this too. Hence my "door behavior" post earlier. "Dim hopes" isn't what this should inspire. Teaching what we want is a satisfying exercise for the owner and the dog. A fallback command is like money in the bank. "Tried the place command and it didn't work" means that a little specializing needs to go into it. I'd hire a dogwalker or a neighborhood teenager to ring the doorbell after a lot of other distraction and venue proofing. How did you work at the place command? eta Also, have you done desensitizing work before?
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Ana Kozlowsky wrote 04/02/2010 02:14 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #271470 - 04/02/2010 02:14 PM
Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010 Posts: 1049 Loc: Offline	This does not seem to be such a new problem: 4/10 - 2.5 m GSD Kobe - aggression "out of the blue" 3/08 - 7mo m GSD Kobe - chewing  Quote: nancy black If 11 month old is still doing this stuff I don't feel very hopeful. 7/07 - 4 yr m GSD "overprotective" 8/06 -3yr m GSD - aggression "out of the blue" 4/06 - 3yr m GSD - aggression "out of the blue"  Quote: nancy black This new behavior, out of the blue, has me feeling like my dog has been possessed by demons ... a vet checkup was also suggested back then. There is certainly some pattern to this. The previous dog was a half-brother, right?
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Laura Dobson wrote 04/02/2010 02:28 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Ana Kozlowsky ] #271471 - 04/02/2010 02:28 PM
Laura Dobson Webboard User Reg: 03-16-2008 Posts: 134 Loc: Offline	Also, if you take him to the vet, make sure they check his eyesight. I had a Rotti X that started loosing her eyesight at about 3 - 3 1/2 yrs old. They said things looked fuzzy to her. It got to the point that when I came home, I would crack the front door just a hair and say "Jasper I,m home" and she would be fine. If I didn't do that watch out cause she was coming after you. http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p546/jasper42/Lyka.jpg
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Marcia Blum wrote 04/02/2010 02:35 PM Re: Perfect GSD Turns into Dog from Hell [Re: Laura Dobson ] #271472 - 04/02/2010 02:35 PM
Marcia Blum Webboard User Reg: 10-07-2009 Posts: 512 Loc: Denver, Colorado Offline	I found this podcast very useful for a variety of distractions that can happen around the home (new people coming in, workmen, delivery folks, etc): http://leerburg.com/podcasts/placecommand.mp3 It would also be helpful for those family members who are nervous about the dog to know that he will stay on his place and not mug them.
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