 Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
[Re: Chip Bridges ]
#280610 - 06/19/2010 07:40 PM |
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Therein lies the rub. When I feed raw meat (particularly chicken) in large bags, it usually gets to a point I wouldn't dare cook and eat it. To date, the dogs have never had an issue with the meat that has a whitish juice and slightly "tart" (though not at all rancid) smell. Honestly, they seem to like it better than the first chicken leg, etc. out of the bag. At what point would you throw meat away? I usually get ten pound bags of leg quarters, which don't get awful by the end, but I'd hate to make my girls sick through my own carelessness. I could easily freeze half, but I swear they do seem to prefer it!
Chip, like yours, my dogs enjoy the meat a bit on the "off" side. We go through a 10# bag of leg quarters quickly, but on the weeks I'm also using other meats sometimes the chicken can begin to "ripen". No one has gotten sick, and they love it. However, I trust that my nose and instinct and a few times have refrozen a batch I didn't trust and taken it to the dump. Much cheaper to be safe than sorry! 
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
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#280615 - 06/19/2010 08:11 PM |
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Sheila,
Have you tried putting some pureed vegetable stuff in some ground meat and mixing it up really well?
leih
That might work but I bet I would have to cook the meat otherwise he will do the old nibble with only the front teeth and avoid vegetables. Raw ground beef has a texture that makes that easier to do than when its cooked.
I should take a video of him eating; he is so weird.(learned behavior from the home I'm sure) 
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
[Re: Sheila Buckley ]
#280618 - 06/19/2010 08:27 PM |
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Tahsa just greedily ate a brussel sprout that fell off my platter when I was bringing stuff in from the grill.
(don't worry, it wasn't too hot )
But the dog STILL will not eat ANY poultry unless it is minced and mixed in with something else!
Go figure.
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
[Re: Barbara Schuler ]
#280622 - 06/19/2010 08:44 PM |
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Chip, like yours, my dogs enjoy the meat a bit on the "off" side. We go through a 10# bag of leg quarters quickly, but on the weeks I'm also using other meats sometimes the chicken can begin to "ripen". No one has gotten sick, and they love it. However, I trust that my nose and instinct and a few times have refrozen a batch I didn't trust and taken it to the dump. Much cheaper to be safe than sorry!
Not that there is a measurable level of stink we can calculate (and there should be, every other measurement is defined), has a name... how "stinky" is too bad in your opinion?
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
[Re: Chip Bridges ]
#280638 - 06/19/2010 09:58 PM |
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Chip, the ripe meat you described sounds fine to me.
You won't be feeding ripe meat all the time so it will probably never be an issue. If a piece is too far gone to feed to dogs I think you'll know.
If the smell leaves a bruise when it hits you in the face then don't feed it.:laugh:
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
[Re: Matt Lang ]
#280639 - 06/19/2010 10:04 PM |
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To me, it's more a matter of what an omnivore is. Like Connie, I think that dogs need/prefer a small amount of vege matter in their diet; however, I don't think that makes them an "omnivore". They don't get a significant portion of their daily calories from plants, nor do they have the ability to even digest them unless they've been altered first. Ingesting a small amount of plant matter doesn't make them an omnivore any more than feeding animal protein to cows makes them omnivores. They are carnivores that like a caloricly insignificant amount of veges.
We can test it. We can get a big forest and clear out all the animals and then turn a dog loose and see how long he can survive eating plants and digging up roots. Then we can put true omnivores like a bear, a raccoon, a human, etc, out there and see how they do. My guess is that the true omnivores will do a lot better than the dog.
Nice post. Couldn't figure out what I agreed with most so I just quoted the whole dang thing.
Sounds like we are really all on the same page.
Optimum diet would be what is found in a wild canid's diet. However small, that contains partially digested produce.
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
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#280659 - 06/20/2010 04:41 AM |
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Well, I guess we were wrong. I was at a dog fair recently and when I walked in they handed me a goodie bag of Hill's Science Diet stuff. Today I found the bag in my house and there's a pamphlet titled "The Simple Truth About Pet Nutrition".
There's lots of fascinating information in it, and on page 16 under "Common Myths", it says "MYTH: Dogs are carnivores and need mostly meat. FACT: Dogs are omnivores and need a balanced diet of proteins, carbohydrates and vitamins from a variety of sources including meats, vegetables and grains. This aids in controlling excess nutrients that may be a risk for long-term health."
So there you have it. Dogs are omnivores and need veges and grains apparently. Heh.
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
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#280824 - 06/21/2010 03:20 PM |
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When I feed green tripe, should I still give some veggies? I have a pretty consistent supply of tripe but it has very little grass and stuff on it (though it is still there). The dogs really shake the hell out of it (imagine most of the little ick stuck on the tripe now stuck on my walls and furniture- yay) and truly love it. They like veggies too but mostly in the raw whole form that supposedly has not much value to them...
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
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#280926 - 06/21/2010 09:03 PM |
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Jaana, I'd say that is fine.
Maybe toss is some of your veggie leftovers every now and then.:smile:
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Re: "Dogs are not carnivores"
[Re: Jaana Aadamsoo ]
#280931 - 06/21/2010 09:19 PM |
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The dogs really shake the hell out of it (imagine most of the little ick stuck on the tripe now stuck on my walls and furniture- yay) and truly love it. to them...
Oh you are REALLY a good doggie mom! I assumed so before this post, but now I really, really believe!
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