Marcia Blum wrote 07/08/2010 03:13 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: randy allen ] #283621 - 07/08/2010 03:13 PM
Marcia Blum Webboard User Reg: 10-07-2009 Posts: 512 Loc: Denver, Colorado Offline	Quote: randy allen But I don't really care and think it's perfectly natural if the dog wants to keep track of where it's perceived threat is as long as one: it isn't having a fit. Two: it isn't on a formal heel. And three: it's keeping track of where he is in relation to me without bumping or rubbing up against me do to so (mmm, they can't stare too long and accomplish keeping track of me). My dogs get admonished for anything outside those boundaries. And just when you're making ahead way.......a loose dog will spoil it for you. Or, for my dog, a car. For a younger dog, like Lauren's and mine, I think some of the struggle is to nip it (being a butthead) in the bud, before the fit. That is why anticipation, distance, and redirection are some good tools. It helps you control what may be the unexpected, like other people's unruly dogs on or off of the leash. To continue on with this theme (unless I should start a new post), my dog's remnant behavior to dogs and people walking by is to get the hackles up, keep an eye on the passerby, and finally snap at the air just as they go past. I want to emphasize air, because usually we are off to the side sitting or continuing our walk (read: me ignoring) on the other side of the street. No real fit, not really pulling, maybe not completely aware of me... Now what concerns me is she shows this to cars. Not when we are walking on a sidewalk, but when we are walking on the edge of country roads without a sidewalk. Then she is all prey drivey on me for quite a while.
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randy allen wrote 07/08/2010 03:43 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Marcia Blum ] #283625 - 07/08/2010 03:43 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Passing cars........THAT is perhaps the one thing I have very little patience for! If there's one thing that avoidance training is good for, it's going after motoring cars and trucks.
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Marcia Blum wrote 07/08/2010 03:43 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: randy allen ] #283626 - 07/08/2010 03:43 PM
Marcia Blum Webboard User Reg: 10-07-2009 Posts: 512 Loc: Denver, Colorado Offline	I agree! What do I need to do? The "air snapping" just started about a week ago. She has always been interested in cars, watching them, no hackles.
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 07/08/2010 03:57 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Marcia Blum ] #283628 - 07/08/2010 03:57 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	Oh, the cars! It took a lot of work to get past that one. She used to lunge out and bark all crazy at them. People would stop and stare at me like "What is wrong with your crazy dog?". At night it was the worst with the headlights! Sometimes I can tell she still wants to do it, but manages some self control.
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 07/08/2010 03:59 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Marcia Blum ] #283630 - 07/08/2010 03:59 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	I think I read somewhere on here that the "air snap" is a release of frustrated prey drive. I could be wrong, don't take my word on it.
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Shelle Fenton wrote 07/08/2010 05:52 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Lauren Jeffery ] #283649 - 07/08/2010 05:52 PM
Shelle Fenton Webboard User Reg: 01-28-2010 Posts: 8 Loc: Offline	i have trained my GSD pup, now 9 months old, with a frisbee. He has very strong prey drive. So, rather than a dog, ive given him a frisbee. Now, we can have dogs snarling at him, kids speeding past on bikes, yappy terriers behind fences going for him. And its as if he is blind to everything, except the frisbee. Total concentration on frisbee, in case i throw it. He cant hear anything else, he doesnt see anything else. Now, he's so used to "ingnoring" and "watch" command, coz he's in prey drive for the frisbee. I can use that to drink coffee at a coffee shop, with him on the side walk, being petted by strangers with dangly scarfs, kids with ice cream lickings around their chops, and ingores the lot of em. Till the waitress brings his puppy chino. Looks kinda daft on a large GSD, white frothy chops. Ive redirected him. Worked for us, maybe work for you too?
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randy allen wrote 07/08/2010 05:58 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Shelle Fenton ] #283652 - 07/08/2010 05:58 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Yikes!
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Marcia Blum wrote 07/08/2010 05:59 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Shelle Fenton ] #283653 - 07/08/2010 05:59 PM
Marcia Blum Webboard User Reg: 10-07-2009 Posts: 512 Loc: Denver, Colorado Offline	I do have this kind of focus on her kongs and use them in a double fetch game that I use as a reward for basic ob skills. She will completely ignore other dogs and kids at the park for this game. I use "ready" as her cue that the game will begin, and she will watch me until the kong leaves my hand. This has been helpful in desensitizing for other dogs. We can play within a pretty short distance to another dog, and she will not veer from her game. I still worry about the car air snapping, though.
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randy allen wrote 07/08/2010 06:03 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: Marcia Blum ] #283654 - 07/08/2010 06:03 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	'Nay, leave it' is a good command. With reinforcement if necessary.
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Marcia Blum wrote 07/08/2010 06:11 PM Re: Territorial Barking [Re: randy allen ] #283658 - 07/08/2010 06:11 PM
Marcia Blum Webboard User Reg: 10-07-2009 Posts: 512 Loc: Denver, Colorado Offline	Quote: randy allen 'Nay, leave it' is a good command. With reinforcement if necessary. I'm definitely going to going to use that. I know that people stop and move aside for other dogs, making theirs sit because you don't know how well behaved the other dog/owner is. But with a car, is it best to keep moving on, with the "leave it" and a correction for any follow up air snap? And will she ever grow up?
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