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 Quote: Aaron Myracle

If she whines, you can teach her to bark using marker training.

You can then teach her to bark when people approach the house, using marker training.

We seem to have lost this part of the first page's suggestions.

This is Eliza's thread, but the original post has been kinda hijacked.

Ahh nuts..the other gal's name started with an "E" too..obviously they aren't the same person....I'm glad that Connie is here to keep us all straight!!!!

Willie,

Hmmm sounds to me like you are being a bit touchy on this subject. I was only asking for some advice on this as PPD will be new for me. I did ask if you were a trainer and had any credentials in this venue but your answer was vague. I have been around for a while and have successfully raised many dogs, including one that would take to the trail with me and my horse and pack across the saddle when she got tired and never needed to be leashed. My St. Bernard is one of the most stubborn, pig headed dogs that ever drew a breath but I manage to keep him in check., maybe I picked this up while helping to castrate bulls at the family farm. I have had the pleasure of working with many horses and my present mare is being used in a children's camp program. I purchased her at auction based only on the look in her eye, so I guess I haven't done too badly. Note that I do not use the word "trainer" as I would never profess to be one. I just go by instinct and what works best for me and my animals. I thought that PPD would be something different for me to do with this dog as my children are grown and gone and I have more time. My husband's family has had dobies all thier lives so we are well aquainted with the breed. If this dog does not show the potential for PPD then we will do some other form of training.
I guess I do not understand the dynamics behind your berating me for asking a simple question. Sorry if I got your knickers in a twist, didn't mean to.

I don't think Willie was berating you, I do however think she, as many others feel strongly about this subject.

I for one can not understand why 99% of people would want an actual PPD dog. The liability and management required to safely keep a dog like this is massive.

A serious dog, who stands his ground, barks and growls menacingly and puts on a good show in general is going to deter nearly any problem you might encounter

That can be easily trained for many dogs while still having a dog who can function in society.

 Quote: ellen dondero

Willie,

Hmmm sounds to me like you are being a bit touchy on this subject. I was only asking for some advice on this as PPD will be new for me. I did ask if you were a trainer and had any credentials in this venue but your answer was vague. I have been around for a while and have successfully raised many dogs, including one that would take to the trail with me and my horse and pack across the saddle when she got tired and never needed to be leashed. My St. Bernard is one of the most stubborn, pig headed dogs that ever drew a breath but I manage to keep him in check., maybe I picked this up while helping to castrate bulls at the family farm. I have had the pleasure of working with many horses and my present mare is being used in a children's camp program. I purchased her at auction based only on the look in her eye, so I guess I haven't done too badly. Note that I do not use the word "trainer" as I would never profess to be one. I just go by instinct and what works best for me and my animals. I thought that PPD would be something different for me to do with this dog as my children are grown and gone and I have more time. My husband's family has had dobies all thier lives so we are well aquainted with the breed. If this dog does not show the potential for PPD then we will do some other form of training.
I guess I do not understand the dynamics behind your berating me for asking a simple question. Sorry if I got your knickers in a twist, didn't mean to.

Oi. Ellen, as a new member to the forum, oh hell, never mind.

Willie and Will, thanks for coming back on line and giving your experience and assistance to those of us listening. Really. I'm not sure it was your knickers, Willie, which got in a bunch.

ROFL Ellen......You came in on page 3..while I was in the middle of a conversation with Will and Aaron......you asked a question....This was my response:

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I am a trainer...but I'm not training for the public right now...I am dealing with some serious injuries and before that was too busy raising my 4 children.
A PPD does not fit with my current life style, I don't have the time to maintain one.....

If I need that sort of protection I will just shoot the perpetrator my self...or taze them.

Do you have a specific question you Would like answered?

Will Rambeau is the person you want to answer...he is a real pro.....overseas sales that sort of thing.......very knowledgeable.

I don't feel that I need to tote out my credentials......it seems...gouche...


You then stated that you were going to ignore the advice of your local trainer and get a puppy even though it was a "Crap shoot"

This is my response...prefaced....by this statement....

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I'm in a horribly pissy mood due to leg pain so forgive me...but the odds of your pup working out are ridiculously low....and its absurd to approach a PPD this way.

I then said this....

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Now if you want a dog and are thinking about training it in PPD if it works out, then that is different....BUT.......WHAT ARE YOU GOING OT DO WITH A HIGH DRIVE WORKING DOG THAT ISN'T UP TO PAR FOR A TRUE PPD?
That is a disaster unless you have made plans.

I then went back to my conversation with Aaron.

Now...if you think that is berating..I can't help that....Where is Jeff O when you need him...?????

Any way this isn't your thread...start a new one....this is Eliza Anderson's
Yes, I know that was rude and snarky..sorry about your panties....er knickers.

Panties???? Not knickers??

THIS would have changed my response.

Willie, get your panties under control. Now.

Willie,
I felt I was following Eliza"s thread regarding a puppy and PPD as I have pretty much the same question. I felt Aaron was doing a great job on advisement in the subject. I got confused when you jumped in about jumping out of bushes with cattle prods.I really don't feel I hijacked the thread, but whatever. I was just looking for advice.
No matter what I do with my dog the first thing is to love him for what he is, even if he turns into a couch potato, just thought it my be fun to try something different.

Willie, is Jeff O. a member here?
I can only imagine his response to some recent posts.