^^ That was kind of my impression, too - he bought a dog but doesn't yet have it.
The pups temselves looked alright in the video, but I get the impression that the breeder doesn't really know the breed or understand what goes into the genetics of a solid working dogs. And he will hardly be able to mentor an individual or offer advice if it's needed.
IMO it's kind of a big no-no to breed "working" dogs that have not been proven in any way. It's the way good breeds get watered down.
So yeah, if he already has the pup in hand, enjoy it and I agree that you learn from every dog. If he doesn't there is still time to reconsider.
There are a lot of things I *might* be willing to overlook on a circumstance to circumstance basis, when seeking a dog.
One thing that is non-negotiable to me is health testing of the parents.
I would not, under any circumstances, purchase a puppy with a mother who hasn't been OFA'd. Let alone a mother who hasn't been OFA'd with multiple other non-OFA'd dogs in her pedigree.
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I didn't see where John actually had this dog in hand yet. I understand that he's eager to jump in but several things about this breeder, and what people are usually after jumped out to my rather untrained eye on the matter. I just don't know what's normal in working breeds, I know what I would look for but maybe folks who are more schooled in this may see something I don't.It's a learning experience for all so to speak.
Also John still has a chance to change his mind or decide that this really is what he wants. I know I'm just a random person on the net and no one has to listen to me but I thought someone with some working dog experience could actually give their review of the situation.
AH-HA!!! I guess I was reading too much into the thread's title.
"It's a learning experience for all so to speak.
Also John still has a chance to change his mind or decide that this really is what he wants. I know I'm just a random person on the net and no one has to listen to me but I thought someone with some working dog experience could actually give their review of the situation."
Absolutely!!
We do want this dog. I will show you how he truly is once he's home. I can spot a good dog. I've dog it several times. I've found a local club in my area but they aren't taking new members. The guy that runs it I was told by 6 different local kennels to go to him with my dog. I called him and he runs the club but he can't take anyone else on because they do it on his day off and can only handle so many dogs during the club sessions. He does however train and invited us out tomorrow to see the dogs work. He told me he has a PPD dog he bought from a club member. The dog is from Germany and a club member couldn't handle the $20,000 dog. He took the dog over and has been working him. I will take pictures tomorrow his dog training facility is and he sounded pretty dog savvy too.
You might be able to spot a good dog, but you can't spot whether the puppy has Hip Dysplasia. All you can do is stack the deck in the favor of the dog not having it.
This dog has all the odds against it, in terms of having HD. Vegas odds say he'll be crippled by age 5. What good will that do you?
I cant find OFA for mom but I was told she had her ex-rays.
I think either way Gambit is a good boy and I'll do my BEST for him by feeding raw if I can. Hopefully he wont develop Flap or HD. I'll cross that point if it does and help him.
I cant find OFA for mom but I was told she had her ex-rays.
Then they should also be able to tell you where she had them done and then you can follow up with that facility to get/see a copy to ensure all is well.
Edited by Barbara Schuler (04/30/2011 05:05 PM)
Edit reason: typo
I understand John's excitement. In his mind the puppy is already a member of the family. I really don't want to rain on his parade at all, but there are a few red flags with the breeder. I just don't want him to end up heartbroken two years from now.
John, please realize that we aren't getting down on you personaly. Its just that unfortunately bad breeding practices are far too common.
One thing to keep in mind is the health guarauntee. A lot of bad breeders will gaurantee the health for a year. But if you read the fine print, the gaurantee will state that the puppy will be replaced after returning the puppy for humane euthanasia.
This is a major red flag in the contract. The breeder knows that no matter what health problems might pop up, 99% of people will not follow through on this.
Just something to check out in the absence of an OFA or PennHip rating.
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