I have a question! What bloodlines does this animal go to?

Leerburg

I know but where does that take him?

Michael wrote an excellent post on the first page of this thread. No breeder can guarantee temperament on their pups. I write about this in my guarantee - I do not guarantee temperament. Not only are there a million things that can pop up in genetics, there are 5 million things that inexperienced owners can do to cause goofy temperament problems. I am not pointing fingers anyone on this thread. I don't know the people and I don't know what dogs we are referring to. But there is a lot that goes into Temperament.

From a genetic issue, breeders need to be very careful of Mink bloodlines. Mink can bring some goofy shit into a dog (some can be good - some can be sharp, some can show avoidance) I have probably bred as many litters as anyone in this country to strong Mink lines - I have a pretty good idea of what works and what does not. I do not recommend new breeders get too much Mink in their lines or they will end up with unhappy customers. What I have found works is a taking it to a very very laid back bitch with good prey drive and 110% solid nerves. What does not work is not enough prey in the bitch, a tad sharp bitch or a bitch with slightly thin nerves.

Intresting point that Ed makes again on Mink. This is what I was driving at with Mink.
Mink produces a lot of great dogs, but from what I have bred, and from dogs that I have worked that come from Mink they are either bit sharp, or a little bit spooky. They are sometimes hard to handle for someone that really has not handled a dog before. THe diffrence I would think in some of these animals is the person who RAISED the dog to the adult level. This does have alot to do with the end product, more so with Mink lines. This is the postion of many European breeders. It is a good point that Ed brought up about breeding Mink; you may end up with a lot of unhappy customers, either from holes in thier arms, or the dog spooking a bit. you could also end up with a dog that has a lot of social aggresion. With that said Mink is an excellent choice for Police Service Dogs, as when pups are raised right, alot of them have that natural sharpness that Police Dogs need.

For the purposes of clarification and definition what is the difference between a dog being a little spooky and a dog with weak nerves? Examples of spooky are?

Ed says: What I have found works is a taking it to a very very laid back bitch with good prey drive and 110% solid nerves. What does not work is not enough prey in the bitch, a tad sharp bitch or a bitch with slightly thin nerves.

What would happen if you bred to a bitch that was on the extreme in prey, defense and civil drive? Just curious. Would you end up with totally crazy nutty dogs or simply dogs that are too handler agressive?

It would really be one in the same. I think Ed put it best in saying something along the lines of ending up with some goofy shit.
For examples the dog that is refered to in this post is one. I do not mean this as an insult.
Although I do not believe the second question was directed to me I will say something anyway LOL. I think he really answered the question already, in saying it is up to the handlers. When breeding these lines you have to take caution when choosing partners. I think it is safe to say that even quiet bitches with Mink will produce a typicall Mink dog in some cases. If you breed a bitch that is extreme in all cases to Mink bloodline well, and the bitch is of working bloodlines, I think you should watch where these dogs go to if you do not want a bunch of unhappy campers!

Glen - your question is ammbigous and I will not speculate.

After reading the above posts - something needs to be clarified. When someone takes a Leerburg male and breeds it to a Leerburg female - the resulting puppies are not LEERBURG DOGS unless I am the one who selects the parents and I am the one listed as the breeder. I had not read this entire thread - I was not the breeder of the dogs mentioned above - yes they were Leerburg dogs - but there is a very good chance I would not have selected these two dogs for breeding.

This does not mean I have not made mistakes in breeding - more than I care to think of and there will be many more made in the future. The only thing I can say is that I make less mistakes (because of the experience of breeding 280 litters) than someone who is new to breeding or somoene who has only bred 10 or 20 litters

Thanks for the reply Ed. And on the other front I had never thought about who can call their dogs Leerburg dogs until I read you're post. I learn something everyday. Thanks again.

So Ed would it be safe to say that this dog did not come from your breeding (the sire and damn are listed), as I beleive somewhere it was stated that it was a Leerburg pup. But really at the end of the day I do not think it is that important. I think the point has been made clear on this topic.