Quote: Tammy Moore

Cat # 3, a Siamese, smartest cat I have ever known {they are a smart cat} tends to instigate matters, and enjoys it. He’ll casually walk into the room, dog is fine, look at the dog, still fine, spring into the air and zooooooom 60 mph, dog not so fine.

Lol! I'm not sure the OP is even still around, but I thought I'd add some comic relief.

Siamese indeed are smart (jerk) cats. Mine will antagonize my pup, and even leap into her ex-pen. This is a vid from 2 months ago......my 3 month old Mal pup and Siamese. (No, I do not allow cat chasing when she is out of her ex-pen.)

http://youtu.be/eSTIe1o1xSI

Side note.... Nick, you see the size of that 3 month old Mal puppy?!??!?!!!!!!

That cat is asking for it! Puppy says '!!! Fuzzy toy!!!! Gift from above!!!!. ROFL. Love it Tabatha!!!

 Quote: Kelly Byrd

I see an e-collar being a good tool in this situation. Set the dog up to fail, but something yummy in the trash can. Let him think he's unsupervised. (watch closely but from out of site if possible) Correct him with the e-collar when he goes into the trash. This is a situation where you don't mind the dog having a superstitious behavior, right? (trash can bites me!)

I see the e-fence not working nearly so well. What if the dog is in the kitchen with you, and you bump him? Straight into the trash can? Whoops..... You can't control it, so yes, human error and bad timing is not an issue like it is with a e-collar, but there could be other factors that complicate it.

OK. I get that you hate these things. One last argument about what you stated above though. Seeing as you can adjust the efence to a minimum of 2 feet, I don't think there's any way a dog will accidentally get bumped into a correction especially after he's been stimmed once and he knows whats up. Move the device a foot behind the can and the dog will have to be just about touching the can to get stimmed. No timing required by noobie owner, and a cost of about 150 bucks less.

Different tool, same result. The cat thing? For me a no brainer with the efence device. Probably too much work for a noob. I critter cats with an ecollar anyway so no skin of my back.

 Quote: Tabatha Farnel

 Quote: Tammy Moore

Cat # 3, a Siamese, smartest cat I have ever known {they are a smart cat} tends to instigate matters, and enjoys it. He’ll casually walk into the room, dog is fine, look at the dog, still fine, spring into the air and zooooooom 60 mph, dog not so fine.

Lol! I'm not sure the OP is even still around, but I thought I'd add some comic relief.

Siamese indeed are smart (jerk) cats. Mine will antagonize my pup, and even leap into her ex-pen. This is a vid from 2 months ago......my 3 month old Mal pup and Siamese. (No, I do not allow cat chasing when she is out of her ex-pen.)

http://youtu.be/eSTIe1o1xSI

I think this is funny! Siamese seem to always ask for trouble! We have a kitten and she has the nick name of Devil. Zuki treats cats about the same way your pup did. And if she gets carried away I tell her no. But the kitten is well able to defend herself and asks for it so most of the time she will get out on her own too....when she has had enough

 Quote: howard knauf

In addition...this site is full of questions exactly like the OP's. A little reading will enlighten her. Introducing a new dog to the home has been discussed ad nauseum. If the OP would have read Ed's article on this she would have seen how to introduce the dog to existing animal residents of the home. She did not. A person "willing to invest the effort to do it properly" likely would have researched a little first.

What you've said is rather offensive. I know a little more than the average person owning a dog. Just because I'm new to this site doesn't mean I'm new to dogs.

Yes, I've been misinformed plenty, and yeah I found this site a little late but really, there's no need to be so rude. I'm here to learn and the last thing I'd expect is an insult.

Well, thanks for all the replies. I had to get off shortly after I posted.

Anyway, I like the idea of keeping him on the lead near me all the time. I mean I pretty much do that anyway, and he's gotten better with the cats, it's just when the pesky Siamese wants to start something. I was just curious as to what else was out there.

He did have a crate like I said, but I had to throw it out eventually because it was pretty beat up, and somehow broke out of it.

I think eventually I'll try the E-Collar. I've been lurking this site for a few weeks now, only signed up a few days ago, and read a lot about the E-Collar. I just want to be able to train him the "caveman" way as someone said, first. I'm not messing with the collar until I've done all my research.

 Quote: Tabatha Farnel

 Quote: Tammy Moore

Cat # 3, a Siamese, smartest cat I have ever known {they are a smart cat} tends to instigate matters, and enjoys it. He’ll casually walk into the room, dog is fine, look at the dog, still fine, spring into the air and zooooooom 60 mph, dog not so fine.

Lol! I'm not sure the OP is even still around, but I thought I'd add some comic relief.

Siamese indeed are smart (jerk) cats. Mine will antagonize my pup, and even leap into her ex-pen. This is a vid from 2 months ago......my 3 month old Mal pup and Siamese. (No, I do not allow cat chasing when she is out of her ex-pen.)

http://youtu.be/eSTIe1o1xSI

THIS is my cat and dog, except Floyd gives weak little meows even though he's the one that starts it, and King is a little rougher. Aw but your Mal is adorable! It's amazing how he stays in his pen. I've never seen a pup able to do that.

Oh, and intro? I guess I was supposed to do that?

I'm Dannielle, obviously, and I'm 17, er 18 on Saturday. I'm a desert rat, from SoCal but in AZ at the moment. I have always loved Shepherds, and am taking a liking to the Mals. I got King from the local shelter, and he had been there for a few months. I seriously can't figure out why no one wanted him. So far he's re-learning his commands in German, and doing well at it, and he's learning Leave It very well, it just doesn't work for the cats mostly. I use a prong collar when walking/training him, and in the house I just use his regular collar. We keep the trash away from and now he's ALWAYS on a leash. Always by my side.

I discovered Ed's site by looking up how to stop a dog fight (for future reference/just in case) and I've turned things around for King. No dog parks, no "doggy friends" and I no longer allow everyone that walks by to pet him. People loved to at first because he looks like a coyote for some reason.

He's a big ball of energy and a really great jumper. When I get to the point of him being trained, I might just look into some agility training, just for fun.

But here he is,

 Quote: Dannielle StCin

Aw but your Mal is adorable! It's amazing how he stays in his pen. I've never seen a pup able to do that.

Thanks! The ex-pen training was actually pretty simple, I did it like Ed explains in his videos. It's the power of positive reinforcement! But I do have to admit that I'm very impressed with her level of self-control in it, especially for a young pup.

 Quote: Dannielle StCin

He's a big ball of energy and a really great jumper. When I get to the point of him being trained, I might just look into some agility training, just for fun.

He's a handsome boy, and lucky to be out of the shelter in a good home! You should definitely look into some agility classes once his basic obed is good. He'll love it, and it's a great way to bond and channel his energy productively.