Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2011 01:16 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: JessicaKromer ] #346973 - 10/14/2011 01:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yes! And my own "yogurt trials" triggered the addition of yogurt (daily) to my dogs' food. I buy plain unsweetened with the most cultures (in type and number), such as Cascade and Nancy's. Fish oil and E, of course, and frequent rinsing-baths, as well as an excellent diet, probably top my list of allergy tools. eta Yes, Lori's posts have been invaluable!
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Amanda Gazzard wrote 10/14/2011 02:42 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #346978 - 10/14/2011 02:42 PM
Amanda Gazzard Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2011 Posts: 61 Loc: Calgary, Alberta Offline	Yes Newman gets yogurt every day, about 2 tsp with his dinner. He also gets fish oil and vitamin E. Just got back from the vet. I have an anti parasite medication (advantage) and an anti itch medication (vanectyl-P). The vet seems to think that the most likely cause is an environmental allergy or a contact allergy. But I was really persistent about the mites possibility. She did a scraping and it came back negative, but acknowledged that he could still have them. She did an ear swab as well and said that there was a minor infection. So he has some kind of waxy medication in his ears. The breeder I got him from said to not clean his ears because they never do and their dogs never have ear problems. They said that the amount of ear problems seem to increase the more people clean their dogs ears. Ironically 1 week ago the vet cleaned Newman's ears because she recommends it and now he has an ear infection. I guess that I will just give him the parasite medication and see what happens from there.
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Amanda Gazzard wrote 10/14/2011 02:49 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Amanda Gazzard ] #346979 - 10/14/2011 02:49 PM
Amanda Gazzard Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2011 Posts: 61 Loc: Calgary, Alberta Offline	and i tried doing the white paper test but I didn't find anything other than some dandruff and some dark flecks but they didn't turn red when I put water on them.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2011 02:56 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Amanda Gazzard ] #346980 - 10/14/2011 02:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Steroids ((vanectyl-P) can indeed interrupt a bad itch cycle. I'm not sure I would have wanted to make steroids Step 1, but then, I'm not seeing how bad the itching is. The vet saw fleas? Or gave Advantage as a matter of general procedure? What kind of ear infection? Will they call you with cytology results (yeast, bacteria, combo)? "Ironically 1 week ago the vet cleaned Newman's ears because she recommends it and now he has an ear infection. " I would never never never introduce moisture (including cleansing agents) to a healthy ear. However, also see quote below. Let us know the white sheet results, which I would do today, now, rather than after several days with Advantage in the system, and please do keep us posted. (ETA: I see you mentioned that; I posted again below.) Is the ear med Otomax? "Causes of Ear Infection" from http://www.petwave.com/Dogs/Dog-Health-Center/Ear-and-Eye-Disorders/Ear-Infections/Overview.aspx : The most common ear disorders in companion dogs are caused by parasites, foreign bodies, climatic conditions and allergies. ... Parasites can cause extreme irritation in domestic dogs. Fleas cause a multitude of problems, but when they infest a dog’s ears they are particularly disturbing. Some fleas live on the outside of a dog’s ear flap and can actually cause tissue erosion, in addition to intense itchiness, which leads to scratching and self-inflicted wounds. Mites, such as otodectic, demodectic and/or sarcoptic mange mites, often have a preference for the ears; these mites can cause hair loss, itchiness and severe skin irritation and inflammation. They also commonly contribute to abnormal waxy build up in the ear canals." Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/14/2011 03:08 PM) Edit reason: addition to 5th paragraph
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2011 02:59 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Amanda Gazzard ] #346981 - 10/14/2011 02:59 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Amanda Gazzard and i tried doing the white paper test but I didn't find anything other than some dandruff and some dark flecks but they didn't turn red when I put water on them. This test is a whole white bed sheet spread all over the floor and then the dog is brushed thoroughly.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2011 03:01 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #346982 - 10/14/2011 03:01 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Was this Advantage or Advantage Multi?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2011 03:02 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Amanda Gazzard ] #346984 - 10/14/2011 03:02 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Amanda Gazzard He also gets fish oil and vitamin E. Good! A gram of fish oil per ten pounds of dog? ETA I just wanted to add: Good for you for addressing this immediately. Bad ear infections and skin infections are really miserable for all concerned, especially the dog, and unrelieved itching leads to open skin and an open door to infection. Welcome to the frustrating world of pruritis. I'm sorry you had to enter it. Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/14/2011 03:13 PM) Edit reason: ETA
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Amanda Gazzard wrote 10/14/2011 03:53 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #346985 - 10/14/2011 03:53 PM
Amanda Gazzard Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2011 Posts: 61 Loc: Calgary, Alberta Offline	The itching was getting pretty bad (in the past couple days). Like non stop. The vanectyl is working really well. I haven't seen him go so long without itching for a long time (it's been about an hour now). The vet did not see fleas or any external parasites - it is advantage multi - I'm assuming based on our conversation that it would kill all types of external parasites. The ear infection was both yeast and bacterial, and she used a medication called EK-Triotic. It's like this waxy stuff that she put in the ear and it's supposed to melt and flow further into his ear. And as for the amount of fish oil he gets, it is 1 pump of the Grizzly Oil per day. I'm not sure how many grams that is, but it's the directions on the bottle for his weight. He is 14 lbs.
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Amanda Gazzard wrote 10/14/2011 03:55 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Amanda Gazzard ] #346986 - 10/14/2011 03:55 PM
Amanda Gazzard Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2011 Posts: 61 Loc: Calgary, Alberta Offline	I will do the bed sheet test once the bf gets home and can help me. I was planning on giving him a bath (with an aloe and oatmeal dog shampoo) and then applying the advantage. I guess I should probably do the white sheet test first.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2011 04:22 PM Re: raw feeding advice - allergy problem? [Re: Amanda Gazzard ] #346987 - 10/14/2011 04:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: amanda gazzard I will do the bed sheet test once the bf gets home and can help me. I was planning on giving him a bath (with an aloe and oatmeal dog shampoo) and then applying the advantage. I guess I should probably do the white sheet test first. Yes, the white sheet test first, then the bath, then the Advantage. Yes, steroids "work" very well and very fast. And this is a combo steroid/antihistamine. Steroids can be a magic bullet. The problem is the huge array of long- and short-term side effects. It's always a balancing act between necessity and being super-careful to use the least amount that still works, using it for the shortest possible time, and tapering off carefully after a lengthy protocol. All the precautions that apply to cortisone also apply to this med.
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