Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355646 - 02/16/2012 04:00 PM |
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I think dominant is a term that gets used for a lot of different things, but not really accurately. Its not a huge deal, but everone uses it for every bad behavior sometimes when just the opposite is true. People don't like to talk about insecurities or fears because it sounds a lot worse then it really is with dogs.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355647 - 02/16/2012 04:14 PM |
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Excellent point. Sadie's dominance has been conditioned for so long that it has to be managed, just as the submissiveness of Kory's lab will have to be managed if he adds another dog to the mix. It doesn't sound like (to me) that it will ever go away.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355653 - 02/16/2012 06:02 PM |
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Like I said Duane, not a huge deal, but if you looked at it as poor behavior that has been conditioned for so long, it may be helpful when you start adding things in your training that she see's as pressure, cause you'll handle them differently then with an actual dominant dog. I'm sure your club will know.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355655 - 02/16/2012 06:37 PM |
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Right on track, Steve. The main thing the SchH club has been working Sadie on to date is socialism and reactivity, plus some obedience. We haven't started with the helper. She gets riled up when she watches the bitework, but she's reacting to the dogs and ignoring the helper. Going slow; she's not ready for more yet.
Our club is headed by a professional trainer who works on behavioral issues as part of his practice. We often host dogs that he's working with for the purpose of socialization, so it's not all schutzhund training. He feels that it helps him to bring his clients around active, somewhat knowledgeable handlers.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355657 - 02/16/2012 07:02 PM |
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I don't mind you guys hijacking the thread, the more I can learn the better.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355663 - 02/16/2012 08:58 PM |
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Ah jeez Duane, I apologise. Skimming around and reading your posts on another thread about her having the drives for bite work etc.. I kinda brought that into this thread.
She gets riled up when she watches the bitework, but she's reacting to the dogs and ignoring the helper. Going slow; she's not ready for more yet.
You're doing good to take it slow, I'm sure you know this isnt what you want at all. It sounds like you got lucky twice. A free dog you love and the right trainer for her issues.
You know Kory, sometimes people think any show of aggression is a sign of a tough, or strong, or dominant, pick your term. But most times, they're way off. Its just the opposite.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355667 - 02/16/2012 09:16 PM |
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.... You know Kory, sometimes people think any show of aggression is a sign of a tough, or strong, or dominant, pick your term. But most times, they're way off. Its just the opposite.
In fact, setting this thread totally aside, I think that dominant and aggressive are very often thought of (incorrectly) as being synonymous.
It's one of the murkiest of the terminology swamps. JMHO!
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355668 - 02/16/2012 09:21 PM |
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... Connie, I'm curious wether you think I'm right about the labs submissiveness towards other dogs or not. Wouldn't you think it's due to the aggression from the boxer as a puppy? She acts perfectly normal with people.
Kory
Sorry I missed this, Kory, but Bob answered it better than I could have anyway.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355672 - 02/16/2012 10:44 PM |
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I think dominant is a term that gets used for a lot of different things, but not really accurately. Its not a huge deal, but everone uses it for every bad behavior sometimes when just the opposite is true. People don't like to talk about insecurities or fears because it sounds a lot worse then it really is with dogs.
100% on that one!
The average person has probably never even seen a truly dominant dog. For the most part, what people see as dominant is either misplaces aggression or just a spoiled rotten pet that get what it wants by being obnoxious. These are the dogs that create problems because they don't really know how to handle the status their owners have allowed them to take.
With a good leader ALL dogs are better for it. The truly dominant dog is a wonderful thing to observe when he has the correct leadership.
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Re: Adding a new puppy in a couple of months
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#355674 - 02/16/2012 10:55 PM |
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I think dominant is a term that gets used for a lot of different things, but not really accurately. Its not a huge deal, but everone uses it for every bad behavior sometimes when just the opposite is true. People don't like to talk about insecurities or fears because it sounds a lot worse then it really is with dogs.
100% on that one!
The average person has probably never even seen a truly dominant dog. For the most part, what people see as dominant is either misplaces aggression or just a spoiled rotten pet that get what it wants by being obnoxious. These are the dogs that create problems because they don't really know how to handle the status their owners have allowed them to take.
With a good leader ALL dogs are better for it. The truly dominant dog is a wonderful thing to observe when he has the correct leadership.
Another "Aha" moment!! I was viewing Sadie's "dominance" as an inherant, pack-related behavior, but it now seems to me that it was behavior that was allowed to manifest itself in her previous home, and she was probably allowed to assume that role.
Sorry again, Kory. Please feel free to hijack my threads anytime you wish!
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