Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mary Velazquez ]
#357457 - 03/21/2012 02:03 PM |
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Thanks, Mary.
BTW, I go ga-ga every time I see your sig pic (and the other pics on Photobucket). Since I've gotten more into working with Sadie (who I adopted as an adult), I've had the fever for a puppy. I'm at least six months (and a great deal of edumacatin') away from being doable. How is the little darlin'? What have you been doing with her? How big is she now?
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357459 - 03/21/2012 02:33 PM |
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Duane you don't want a working puppy! They are little alligators who like to see how many small puncture marks they can put in your family! Every time I think, "man I could go for another pup", I think of picking up that fuzzy little alligator trying in vain to redirect as he goes on a tear, of our skin. They are cute and adorable but really are little terrorist! :-)
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357465 - 03/21/2012 04:15 PM |
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Definitely a good one Mike so many different possibilities, circumstance, factors to think about and opinions on both sides neither right nor wrong, for me depends on there situation.
I'm sure there are people who have been in this situation that wished they had or hadn't.
Duane I would get 2 working puppys.
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Joe Waddington ]
#357466 - 03/21/2012 05:00 PM |
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As one of those who posted here that it's my practice to firmly attach the leash to my wrist, I guess I should have also said that I can certainly envision particular cicumstances where I may decide letting go is my best option. I would hope never to be in that situation, but anything can happen.
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357472 - 03/21/2012 05:48 PM |
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I've been thinking about this question, and decided there isn't a universal answer. Different handlers, handler experience, dog breeds (and mixes thereof), dog age, situations, expected hazards, time of day, dog temperament, OB skill and responsiveness, traffic, etc. all contribute to decisions about what gear to use given a certain situation and training goals. Whether it is safer to hold on for dear life, or drop the leash and rely on recall would depend on all those variables.
The original post, though, was talking about a dog reacting to the environment, and then being given freedom as a consequence of that reaction (to save a wrist, finger, ankle, etc.). I would think this is a very bad policy, because the dog is going to associate reactive force with attaining a desired object. That can't be a good situation.
I guess one of the reasons I don't every want Jethro to think he can get away from me by force is that I want to extinguish his desire to try. We are making some progress on that front, because no matter what, he has my dead weight to contend with.
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357479 - 03/21/2012 08:33 PM |
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Duane, she is good- smart as a whip, a real blast to work with and also possibly satans spawn. I encourage you to give in to the puppy fever, lol.
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357488 - 03/21/2012 10:59 PM |
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What am I missing with this conversation?
Why isn't good obedience a part of it?
Unless it's a life or limb threatening situation why would anyone let go of the leash unless they have excellent voice control over their dog?
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#357496 - 03/22/2012 05:39 AM |
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Bob,
You didn't miss a thing. You summed it up well.
I presume obedience though to assume would be a mistake in judgement.
I presume excellent voice control and command compliance though to assume such would generally result in disappointment.
And for the person of any age who is not in control or for some unforeseen reason loses control the threat to limb if not life can be a real risk in the absence of a plan. Holding on for dear life ain't always a good plan for some folks.
Initially I just felt like posing a question to see if anyone has thought through their interaction and control of their dog to the point of anticipating anything that would cause them to drop the leash.
Just some thing to consider and discuss. I mean, there wasn't a lot to chat about going on.
Mike A.
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357586 - 03/22/2012 10:24 PM |
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Connie set me straight on the situation.
Just cold hearted to pull pranks when old folks are reading.....all of yus!
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Re: When to et go of the leash...
[Re: Mike Arnold ]
#357831 - 03/26/2012 03:06 AM |
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IMO, there are too many variables to have a concrete answer.
I think a viable solution to the situation is a long line. I regularly use a 30 cotton leash hooked to a harness, or flat collar, or prong, depending on the dog and situation. This offers far greater flexibility in the range of the dog, allowing you to let the dog have 30' of leash to cross an obstacle, investigate something of interest, romp and frolic, or avoid a charging moose. You can take up line to whatever length you desire for formal control, and pay out slack as you see fit. You can also pull your truck out of a sloppy mess with one, but that's another story. A 30'er is a true multi-tasker.
My working dog is very high drive, with the desire to chase and kill anything that moves. When working in an area with many distractions, the long line hooked to a harness allows me 100% control without taking drive out of the dog with a sudden or harsh leash pop on a correction collar. You can "apply the breaks" to the line as it pays out through your hands to slow and stop the dog without giving a harsh correction which may shut the dog down (bad business when looking for bombs) or put the dog in fight drive with no valid target (bad business for the handler on the other end of the 6' leash).
I believe this transitions to pets as well, as it offers the most flexibility, while assuring 100% control of the dog.
Here's a tip for anyone wanting to transition to a long line. Ninja skills are required to handle a dog on a loose collar with a long line, as the leash will end up under the dog. You will both be tied in knots at first, but don't be discouraged. Get a harness with a metal D-ring on the back. Run the snap end of the long line through the D-ring and attach it to the training collar around the dog's neck. This will allow the leash to pass over the dog, instead of under it's feet, making it easier to remain tangle free while still allowing you to apply a correction if needed. As your ninja skills improve, you can transition to just the correction collar, or flat collar as the situation permits, and then to just the D-ring on the harness.
And at first, don't try to coil the 30'er unless using it at very short lengths. Just let it drag behind you and take-up / pay out leash as needed. When I get home, I will try and get some video up if anyone is interested.
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