From the sound of it, after 3 years of this behavior worsening, and nothing being done by all humans directly involved, it was a total failure, with your "bonded pet" paying the ultimate price.

What was done to adjust this behavior in the three years, by yourself who saw this behavior, and knew the problem? Talking?

YOU allowed this GSD to die, Webboard User, because you saw it and did nothing. Your talk was not enough and knew it, action was the only recourse. You saw it getting to the point of no return and did nothing. You may as well have put the bullet in him yourself.

It's knowing, and not taking action is ignorant.

If I was that pups breeder, you nor your parents would ever be allowed to have another one of my pups in your lifetime. Because you never gave him a chance at his.

(p.s. Your father is ignorant, and never should have been allowed to have a dog in the first place. You of all people knowing his past history with dogs being his daughter. You can fluff it any way you like it, but in the end, you gave up on Czak, and it ended his life. Please seek professional guidance before and during owning/co-owning another animal.)

R.I.P Czak - play stress free and run hard across the rainbow bridge buddy.

I wanted to thank all of you that had a kind word to say. I am grieving so hard over this dog that any scrap of kindness is a godsend. I am fully aware of my guilt in this scenario.

I'm not here to make enemies. I learned everything I know about dogs from this board, including from those of you who were the most aggressive in this thread. So I thank all of you for responding. No, I will never let my parents have another large
dog, but that isn't even necessary because they understand on some level that they can't handle one (even if they still blame the dog).

"I learned everything I know about dogs from this board, including from those of you who were the most aggressive in this thread. "


That would be because they care.


Edited by Connie Sutherland (07/19/2012 09:16 AM)
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I'm sorry but... I don't think that you or they should have another dog of any size or breed EVER!!!! Not after what has been posted here & in the past. That poor dog was set up for failure from day one...he didn't deserve that...he deserved better.

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I'm sorry but... I don't think that you or they should have another dog of any size or breed EVER!!!! Not after what has been posted here & in the past. That poor dog was set up for failure from day one...he didn't deserve that...he deserved better.

What she said ^^^^

I have followed this thread from the beginning but have not posted because I found the story so horrifying I didn't trust myself to be able to type a coherent reply. Others have posted articulate replies that I totally agree with.

But I have to say this now. No dog of any breed or any size deserves the kind of treatment inflicted upon poor Czak. He was teased and tormented, he gave plenty of warning, and when he ultimately responded in a completely understandable way, he was killed for it.

The person(s) responsible for that should never again own any dog. What difference does size make? I hope you're not suggesting that it will be okay to torment a small dog because they can't inflict as much damage if they were to attack.....

Czak is in a better place now, certainly a better place than he was in life, but as Anne said, he deserved so much better.

hey bb members . . . i just got a rather nasty PM from the OP , claiming that my post was mean spirited , among other things .

she claims the dad did no harm to the dog mainly due to the fact that it was the dad who had the physical wounds . she claimed i demonized the dad , and glorified the dog .

here's my reply claudette :

i have a rule when posting on the internet ; i don't post anything i wouldn't say face to face . now i'm saying this to you , as i would face to face : you are a dumbass as well as your dad . in my post , i was trying to be realistic towards your dad , compassionate towards you , and sympathetic towards the dog , but after your PM , i can now see you are as much of the problem as he was . others have said it and i will now agree : you or your family should never own a dog . you were an active participant in this dogs; demise . i think the guilt you claim to feel arises mainly from the fact that you were the main force in bringing the dog into the home in the first place . you claim to have totally bonded with the dog , yet you failed to protect him when he needed it most .

i could go on , but instead i'm going to pass on a lesson i've learned from being around dogs all my life . what a dog does , how he acts , how he sees the world is a reflection of the people around him , those who have the most influence over him . to a living , conscious human , this forces them to look inward , to examine themselves for who they are on the inside . sometimes this can be a painful process , much like you are going through right now , however , the lesson does not seem to be taking root in you .

you claimed the dog did not suffer any wounds , yet the dog is now dead . . . tell me again how the dog did not suffer ?

in closing , i'll say this : of course i feel for your elderly dad , no matter how ignorant he is , he sufferd a physical injury , and i feel sorry for you too , as i would any fellow human , but when you take responsibility for an animal that relies on you for food , shelter , his health , love , compassion , all the things a dog needs to be happy throughout ins' entire natural life , you need to see that commitment through .


you failed , learn from it .

ps . claudette ,anything you want to PM me , feel free to post here , because this BB is an online community . you brought the issue forward with the OP , this where we all can discuss and learn

Edited by Connie Sutherland (07/20/2012 12:10 PM)
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PM's are meant to be kept private Ian. Claudette, Its always possible your posts didnt accurately describe what happened or took place over the last couple of years. I hope your father recovers completely.

"Its always possible your posts didnt accurately describe what happened or took place over the last couple of years."


Several members here have searched for posts about problems with the father and the dog. Can't find them.

I've looked for posts prior to this thread that call him the "parents' dog" and can't find them.

I'm guessing that we are missing significant chunks of the story.

This doesn't mean that anyone who asks advice here owes updates or reports on further developments. But it does make a thread like this one, out of the blue, even more shocking and upsetting.

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I'm guessing that we are missing significant chunks of the story.

Yeah, I'm sure we are. My first impression was different then now. I honestly feel for you Claudette. It sounds like you wanted the dog so bad that you let things slide that you shouldnt have. The guilt you're feeling now,,,,,, I think I understand.

yeah steve i know all about PMs , but honestly , this one offered an interesting insight into the OP'r but it also brought to light some points that i thought were germane to the debate and should be shared with the BB .

there was nothing in the PM that would have been out of place had it been posted here , if that's how the poster actually felt ( and was prepared to defend it ) .

now that i think about it , i'd be happy to see the OP post the relevant points of her PM here .