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Schutzhund is a sport - but it helps to weed out what dogs could produce police dogs. Also, you're assuming that no Schutzhund dogs will bite in real life. That's extremely false.
Charles Finley Webboard User Reg: 11-14-2009
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Schutzhund dogs are not protection dogs unless trained as such. If you buy a schutzhund dog to protect you good luck. I don't believe that all of the BS about working lines and show lines is valid on a dog by dog basis. I like my Virginia closeout dogs because one is an Orry son and two of the puppies are Franceso Anrebri and Fern Tal puppies and the third puppy has Mambo as a grandfather. Probably don't know who those dogs are but who cares.
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I do know who those dogs are.
I didn't say that all schutzhund dogs will be protection dogs. But some will. That's how I train my dogs. I train this to be serious, and I train them to be serious.
You've defined working in your way, and I've defined it in mine. To each their own.
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The term working line is a marketing gimic and means nothing. Calling a dog working line tells me nothing about that dog other than you think he might bite and have some courage as an adult. That would be hard to prove as some puppies in a litter of nine will vary hugely in personality and drives. I raise my dogs and know who they are because I keep them until they are 1 year old. If you want to sell puppies that is your business but there is no way that you know what you are selling because each puppy is different and will develop under a different environment. Puppy sellers say they know what a puppy will become but it is a lie because they can't possibly know.
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Who should care? All the work the breeders and trainers put into the dogs in those pedigrees comes right to a screeching halt in the back yard of Charles Finley.
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I even kind of disagree in the degree of variability that comes out of a litter. Especially with line breeding. I've seen pretty consistent results out of breeders in multiple breeds who know the dogs and bloodlines they're breeding.
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I raise my dogs and know who they are because I keep them until they are 1 year old. If you want to sell puppies that is your business but there is no way that you know what you are selling because each puppy is different and will develop under a different environment.
A different environment Charles. A different environment? You know what your puppies do in your controlled, kept with their littermates environment. You don't have a clue what they'll do outside of that. They could turn into great dogs because of the genetics, but you don't know anymore then any other back yard breeder.
Charles Finley Webboard User Reg: 11-14-2009
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People come into the GSD world and get filled up with crap about working line and show line by people claiming to know it all. Then we slowly learn that simple minded labels like working and show don't fit. People buy schutzhund dogs thinking they will protect them and that is a hit or miss proposition at best. Many of the people in the dog world seem to be more interested in titles that are worth nothing and signify nothing than their dogs. The schutzhund title means nothing to the dog, it is just a piece of paper to hang on a wall. The only thing of value is the relationship between the owner/trainer and the dog(s). Play your little word games about which GSD is the one and only true GSD. The only descriptor a great GSD needs is great.
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Knowing what hips and elbows are doing with a litter of nine is impossible unless fed and cared for under the same conditions. I'm guessing you were a music major LOL!
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