Mara Jessup wrote 10/21/2013 07:25 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384730 - 10/21/2013 07:25 AM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Anytime you work on something it's training. Doesn't matter if it's teaching a new skill or desensitizing. Your dog is learning. Keep it short and end on success. K-9 Knitter
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Duane Hull wrote 10/21/2013 08:20 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384733 - 10/21/2013 08:20 AM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	Food for thought... If you're going to take algebra in high school, is it really necessary to learn math in elementary school? What would be the reason that you don't skip straight to algebra and geometry? Why not just skip all the way to calculus, for that matter? Sadie
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/21/2013 10:15 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Mara Jessup ] #384738 - 10/21/2013 10:15 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"That wasn't a training session, I know those should be a minute or two. ... That was a desensitizing exercise suggested by a trainer that I won't do anymore. ... I stood by the bus stop for 20 mins and marked every time he looked at me. "  Quote: Mara Jessup Anytime you work on something it's training. Doesn't matter if it's teaching a new skill or desensitizing. Your dog is learning. Keep it short and end on success. Short. Upbeat. End on success.  Quote: Connie Sutherland .... timing, rewards, short upbeat sessions, and engagement all set up the dog for success. It's sooooo easy to start to push -- to have sessions too long, to work until one or both of you have frustration (even shut down), to introduce distractions too fast, to work on too many things at once, and to forget about the enjoyment that should be the basis of every session (for both of you). .... All of that is counter-productive, turning training into a chore and dulling the eagerness to learn. ... For all training, including desensitizing.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/21/2013 10:27 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Duane Hull ] #384739 - 10/21/2013 10:27 AM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Duane Hull  Quote: Natalie Rynda Because it seemed to make sense. Like why go through all the trouble of repeating the steps in quiet places if you can start at the park lol Because... How can you expect him to be good in the park if he hasn't demontrated he can do it without distraction? For the sake of your doggie, you should quit experimenting, start training from the beginning, and build a foundation before you throw any more new, trial junk at him. That's exactly what I've been saying all along, I can't experiment, I am too new to be able to experiment and that's why I was asking questions. Unfortunately, after watching the videos I still had questions once I tried implementing things.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/21/2013 10:28 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Mara Jessup ] #384740 - 10/21/2013 10:28 AM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Mara Jessup Anytime you work on something it's training. Doesn't matter if it's teaching a new skill or desensitizing. Your dog is learning. Keep it short and end on success. I was following what the trainer did. The original session was an hour.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/21/2013 10:30 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Duane Hull ] #384741 - 10/21/2013 10:30 AM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Duane Hull Food for thought... If you're going to take algebra in high school, is it really necessary to learn math in elementary school? What would be the reason that you don't skip straight to algebra and geometry? Why not just skip all the way to calculus, for that matter? Bad analogy. Each math level is a new level, you learn different things. Dogs learn the same commands. It would actually be logical to assume if you can get them to sit with distractions then you skipped steps. It might not be correct but it's definitely logical
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/21/2013 10:33 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #384742 - 10/21/2013 10:33 AM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland "That wasn't a training session, I know those should be a minute or two. ... That was a desensitizing exercise suggested by a trainer that I won't do anymore. ... I stood by the bus stop for 20 mins and marked every time he looked at me. "  Quote: Mara Jessup Anytime you work on something it's training. Doesn't matter if it's teaching a new skill or desensitizing. Your dog is learning. Keep it short and end on success. Short. Upbeat. End on success.  Quote: Connie Sutherland .... timing, rewards, short upbeat sessions, and engagement all set up the dog for success. It's sooooo easy to start to push -- to have sessions too long, to work until one or both of you have frustration (even shut down), to introduce distractions too fast, to work on too many things at once, and to forget about the enjoyment that should be the basis of every session (for both of you). .... All of that is counter-productive, turning training into a chore and dulling the eagerness to learn. ... For all training, including desensitizing. First of all, I was following what the trainer said. Second of all, before I posted the description of what I did I said that I won't be doing this anymore.
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Cheri Grissom wrote 10/21/2013 10:40 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384743 - 10/21/2013 10:40 AM
Cheri Grissom Webboard User Reg: 09-30-2010 Posts: 2609 Loc: Michigan Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda  Quote: Duane Hull Food for thought... If you're going to take algebra in high school, is it really necessary to learn math in elementary school? What would be the reason that you don't skip straight to algebra and geometry? Why not just skip all the way to calculus, for that matter? Bad analogy. Each math level is a new level, you learn different things. Dogs learn the same commands. It would actually be logical to assume if you can get them to sit with distractions then you skipped steps. It might not be correct but it's definitely logical Huh? (I think logic left the building a long time ago.) Natalie, just a friendly suggestion. Don't answer each and every post with a counter-argument. I believe you are really over-analyzing all of this. Try to have fun with your dog. As everyone has said, short, upbeat sessions! Add distractions and duration on a very gradual basis. Those are the basics. Try it and you will see progress. It's dog training, not astrophysics.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/21/2013 10:48 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Cheri Grissom ] #384744 - 10/21/2013 10:48 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"Natalie, just a friendly suggestion. Don't answer each and every post with a counter-argument. I believe you are really over-analyzing all of this. " PLEASE stop doing it, Natalie. This is where the loooong meandering pointless threads come from. You mentioned that you would try to stop explaining/defending. No reply needed.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/21/2013 10:51 AM Re: Separate sit and down [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #384745 - 10/21/2013 10:51 AM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	We do have fun, who said we didn't. Logic left the building with dog training and that's why I'm having problems. I still don't fully understand why getting him to sit with distractions doesn't mean I skipped many steps, I'm just taking the pros' word for it. I do understand they learn better without distractions but if a dog learned with distractions it seems like a bunch of steps are skipped. Is the argument that he didn't learn good enough? Why not answer posts? I'm not putting training on hold just because I'm analyzing things, but I'm interested to understand why things work the way they work. People are different, I have the need. If I shouldn't ask them here because they seem pointless to you then that's a different story but I will still get them answered somewhere.
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