Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 02:59 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Bob Scott ] #385268 - 10/27/2013 02:59 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Bob, I knew I was doing the wrong thing, if I didn't then I wouldn't post about it lol I'm just so desperate to have him not go crazy (it's been 7 months of this, keep in mind) that I started doing things I knew I shouldn't do I haven't went out without him since yesterday, I will try coming and going a few times today and see how it goes
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 03:04 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Bob Scott ] #385269 - 10/27/2013 03:04 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Bob Scott Most dogs will be attracted to whomever feeds them. From there it's a matter of them finding out how much they can get away with when they push your buttons. We create that when the leadership skills are lacking. Yes, this is very true and sad to realize lol I can't imagine my doggie liking someone else (outside my family) As far as leadership, I can't put my finger on it. What makes someone a leader (in the dog's eyes). I'm definitely not a leader, I go my own way and don't want anyone to follow me. So I'm having a problem with the leadership part.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 03:33 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385275 - 10/27/2013 03:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	As Ed says, "Becoming a pack leader involves adopting the attitude of a pack leader. It does not involve aggression towards a dog, it doesn’t involve rolling him on his back, hard leash corrections or even raising your voice to the dog. It involves adopting a leader's attitude. This is something that new dog owners must learn how to do. Every dog knows a leader when he is in the presence of one. They can sense a leader. They don’t need leash corrections to consider their owner a pack leader. In fact inappropriate corrections often result in a dog looking at the offender with contempt rather than respect. There is an old saying; “Dogs know what you know and they know what you don’t know” This article is going to explain how I show my dog “what I know.” It is also going to explain how I establish responsibility and limits to the relationship I build with my dogs." "Love is Not Enough The vast majority of behavioral problems are caused by mistakes that were made in the basic foundation of how relationships were set up between owners and their dogs. I call these "mistakes in ground work (GW)" and I define ground work as "that work which involves establishing pack structure with a new dog." Many people think that loving a dog is enough to form a good relationship. These people are dead wrong. Unconditional love is never enough. Love has conditions and boundaries along with mutual trust and respect. Unless humans deal with the respect issue in love they will never have a relationship with a dog in which the dog looks at them as a pack leader." "DOGS ARE PACK ANIMALS THEY CAN LOVE YOU BUT NOT RESPECT YOU New pet owners also fail to understand that dogs are pack animals. They have the same genetic driving force that wolves have to form and live in a "pack environment". Members of a pack seek a hierarchy within their family pack. Then genetically seek a ranking order. Domestic dogs look at the family they live with as their family pack. If the humans don't become pack leaders their dogs will step up and assume the role. The majority of behavioral problems develop as a result of poor pack structure in the dog's living environment. This is why I tell people that obedience training is only 25% of the solution to correct behavioral problems and 75% of the solution deals with establishing a sound family pack structure." I think of it as "I am in charge. I will protect, provide for, and guide the pack. I'm fair. And I'm in charge. "
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 03:35 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385276 - 10/27/2013 03:35 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	I know all Ed's stuff by heart. I disagree on this. ETA. I meant I disagree with Ed. Yes, we are in charge, it's obvious. We feed them, they can't go anywhere without us, they listen to us. So why the need for the 'leader mentality'?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 03:52 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385280 - 10/27/2013 03:52 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda Bob, I knew I was doing the wrong thing, if I didn't then I wouldn't post about it lol I'm just so desperate to have him not go crazy (it's been 7 months of this, keep in mind) that I started doing things I knew I shouldn't do I haven't went out without him since yesterday, I will try coming and going a few times today and see how it goes You might want to heed the suggestion about not doing this with a dog who is filled with frustrated energy. http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33792&page=3#385261
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/27/2013 03:54 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385281 - 10/27/2013 03:54 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Words of wisdom, can't tell you how many dogs that we got complaints on, bite reports on, and were turned into shelters because of a lack of clear leadership causing behavioral issues. My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 03:58 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385283 - 10/27/2013 03:58 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Natalie Rynda Bob, I knew I was doing the wrong thing, if I didn't then I wouldn't post about it lol I'm just so desperate to have him not go crazy (it's been 7 months of this, keep in mind) that I started doing things I knew I shouldn't do I haven't went out without him since yesterday, I will try coming and going a few times today and see how it goes You might want to heed the suggestion about not doing this with a dog who is filled with frustrated energy. http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=33792&page=3#385261 not doing what? i have "posts per page" settings different from you guys so your links take me to a blank third page (for me this thread is on 1 page).
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:00 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Jodi Moen ] #385285 - 10/27/2013 04:00 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Jodi Moen Words of wisdom, can't tell you how many dogs that we got complaints on, bite reports on, and were turned into shelters because of a lack of clear leadership causing behavioral issues. maybe it's just semantics. i agree that dogs need structure and house rules. it's the "leader attitude" that i'm not sure about. i don't even know what it means. if being a leader is the same as being a good parent (setting boundaries, rules, discipline) then i agree.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 04:02 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385286 - 10/27/2013 04:02 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Have the dog release excess energy before working on something that requires a calm response. Rather than when "I haven't went out without him since yesterday."
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 05:00 PM Re: Separation anxiety I guess [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385287 - 10/27/2013 05:00 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"if being a leader is the same as being a good parent (setting boundaries, rules, discipline) then i agree." Iit's something like being a good parent.
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