Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:24 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385299 - 10/27/2013 04:24 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins "you can't become a leader is what i mean. you either have it or you don't." One need not be Churchill to have a well behaved dog. We are talking about leading a dog. No one is born knowing how to train a dog. It is a skill that is learned, if one wants to learn it. Most people don't. And that's why most dogs in this country are neurotic and ill behaved. i agree, there's A LOT to learn if you want to have a well behaved dog. however, he says that it's something a person projects. THAT you can't learn. all i'm saying is that if being a true leader, something a dog simply SENSES is a must - then no, you can't learn it.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:26 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Jodi Moen ] #385300 - 10/27/2013 04:26 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Jodi Moen Not true, the military, medical schools, business schools, police depts, et all teach people who might not have previously been leaders, how to be leaders all the time. they can try to teach and i'm sure they do. a true leader is born, not made. they can teach you how to behave, how to act the part. they can't teach you how to feel like one and that's what makes people want to follow you.
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Kristin Muntz wrote 10/27/2013 04:30 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385301 - 10/27/2013 04:30 PM
Kristin Muntz Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2012 Posts: 746 Loc: Offline	Every single one of us should have the ability to, for example, be a good parent. That is an example of leadership. I do not think that owning most dogs would be any different. Some kids are easy, some are NOT, but good parenting is a skill that is learned on your feet and by observation, less than by theory.
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 04:30 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385302 - 10/27/2013 04:30 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	This isn't nearly as hard as you'd like to believe. It really just takes patience and commitment to repetition. The smartest dogs in the world are still only operating at the intellectual level of an average human 2 year old. What's required is an understanding of how THAT mind works. Dogs are not verbal. They are not prone to over-analyzation. They understand gestures and postures and tone. They do not seek novelty. Most prefer structure and predictability. They don't make plans. They prefer limits. Most dogs are not incredibly complicated. But they are not primates. It is impossible for them to respond like primates. YOU have to be able to think like a dog. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:34 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385304 - 10/27/2013 04:34 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins This isn't nearly as hard as you'd like to believe. It really just takes patience and commitment to repetition. The smartest dogs in the world are still only operating at the intellectual level of an average human 2 year old. What's required is an understanding of how THAT mind works. Dogs are not verbal. They are not prone to over-analyzation. They understand gestures and postures and tone. They do not seek novelty. Most prefer structure and predictability. They don't make plans. They prefer limits. Most dogs are not incredibly complicated. But they are not primates. It is impossible for them to respond like primates. YOU have to be able to think like a dog. i'm not arguing with any of this, i agree. it's not as complicated and it's mostly repetition and consistence. you didn't say anything about projecting leadership that they sense though. so that's not part of it, right? you can have a well-behaved dog and not be a leader that they sense?
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 04:39 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385306 - 10/27/2013 04:39 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	You're thinking like a primate. You only have to demonstrate the behaviors that a dog reads as leadership. One can be a leader of dogs and not be a leader among men. No human is "born" with this skill. You learn it from other dog people. And from dogs themselves. How does one dog project rank (leadership status) to another? Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:45 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Kristin Muntz ] #385307 - 10/27/2013 04:45 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Kristin Muntz Every single one of us should have the ability to, for example, be a good parent. That is an example of leadership. I do not think that owning most dogs would be any different. Some kids are easy, some are NOT, but good parenting is a skill that is learned on your feet and by observation, less than by theory. i agree with this as well.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 04:49 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385308 - 10/27/2013 04:49 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins You're thinking like a primate. You only have to demonstrate the behaviors that a dog reads as leadership. One can be a leader of dogs and not be a leader among men. No human is "born" with this skill. You learn it from other dog people. And from dogs themselves. How does one dog project rank (leadership status) to another? so Ed is not saying you have to be a leader among men? that's how i read it. ETA i believe (and i might be wrong of course) that the dogs are projecting whatever they're born with.
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Jodi Moen wrote 10/27/2013 04:47 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385309 - 10/27/2013 04:47 PM
Jodi Moen Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2010 Posts: 799 Loc: USA Offline	Not true, but we'll have to agree to diagree. My animals are not "like" family, they ARE family.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 04:52 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Jodi Moen ] #385310 - 10/27/2013 04:52 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"so Ed is not saying you have to be a leader among men? that's how i read it." When he says "pack leader" in all his articles and e-books and podcasts about being your dog's "pack leader," he is indeed talking about being the leader of your dog(s).
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