I was too late to edit. Wanted to add something. I was told that she had a singleton once before. And that pup turned out great.

Yep. I did see someone post a pic of the pup from that March litter.

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I was too late to edit. Wanted to add something. I was told that she had a singleton once before. And that pup turned out great.

Just my own Personal opinion here (and I am NOT a breeder) but "conventional wisdom" always used to teach that breeding a bitch on back-to-back heat cycles every 6 months is not recommended, because the dam needs a longer period of time to replenish her own body's nutrient stores, which she passes onto the progeny during gestation & lactation.

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 Quote: Pat Redcul

I was too late to edit. Wanted to add something. I was told that she had a singleton once before. And that pup turned out great.

Just my own Personal opinion here (and I am NOT a breeder) but "conventional wisdom" always used to teach that breeding a bitch on back-to-back heat cycles every 6 months is not recommended, because the dam needs a longer period of time to replenish her own body's nutrient stores, which she passes onto the progeny during gestation & lactation.

New studies have shown that doing 2-3 back-to-back breedings can actually be better for a bitch; better for the uterus to not go through multiple estrus cycles without having a pregnancy.

Now, for myself, I wouldn't breed a bitch back to back without a reason to do so. I breed to achieve certain goals with each breeding so I won't produce litters often at all (Plus because I am new to breeding, I want to see my litters grow out for at least 18 months before I start to judge whether that was a successful pairing or not). But each breeder is different.

Also, some dogs bounce back VERY well in that short amount of time and have no issues with having the pregnancies so close. Some don't, totally dog dependant.

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 Quote: Candi Campbell

 Quote: Pat Redcul

I was too late to edit. Wanted to add something. I was told that she had a singleton once before. And that pup turned out great.

Just my own Personal opinion here (and I am NOT a breeder) but "conventional wisdom" always used to teach that breeding a bitch on back-to-back heat cycles every 6 months is not recommended, because the dam needs a longer period of time to replenish her own body's nutrient stores, which she passes onto the progeny during gestation & lactation.

New studies have shown that doing 2-3 back-to-back breedings can actually be better for a bitch; better for the uterus to not go through multiple estrus cycles without having a pregnancy.

Now, for myself, I wouldn't breed a bitch back to back without a reason to do so. I breed to achieve certain goals with each breeding so I won't produce litters often at all (Plus because I am new to breeding, I want to see my litters grow out for at least 18 months before I start to judge whether that was a successful pairing or not). But each breeder is different.

Also, some dogs bounce back VERY well in that short amount of time and have no issues with having the pregnancies so close. Some don't, totally dog dependant.

Thanks a lot for this updated information, Niomi I am not knowledgeable enough in the broader aspects of Reproductive Biology studies to comment any further on the pros & cons surrounding that issue -- But I will just say that I do believe wild canids & primitive dog breeds such as the Basenji only have one estrus period each year, rather than two heat cycles semi-annually, for some fairly good reasons ... As you note however, perhaps the advisability of back-to-back litters twice a year would vary from brood bitch to brood bitch on an individual basis.

Thanks for all the responses. Very informative.
This thread has taken different turns. But no one has yet to respond to my original question. What is your opinion of this breeding?
I am on the fence as to get this puppy. Hubby wants this pup.

does the breeder have demonstrated ethics
is the kennel facility clean
do the dogs look happy
is there documented history of health
are their legitimate testimonials of the breeder
is it a puppy mill
does the breeder appear on rippoff report
is their a legit contract
is the breeder known for producing the style of dog you want
do you love the puppy

others opinions don't mean a whole lot






B2B breeding as a more healthy option seems a stretch, i would like to see the peer reviewed papers on that. sounds like a breeder rationalisation to mill puppies.

link to peer reviewed papers please.

Personally, from the info you have shared, there are some red flags. I've gotten burned by a breeder before and I now have a fearful, anxious dog that needs a lot of training and attention. I wouldn't change a thing, because I love my dog...he and I have the most amazing partnership. BUT, I don't ever want a dog like him again.

P.S. On the breeding back to back, I've always heard it is fine to breed 2 out of 3 heat cycles, like breed the first and the third or back to back and rest the third. I've seen back to back breedings and it's been just fine for the dam.

Here is a pedigree of the breeding.

https://pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=1984458&mother=537747

I like the bottom. It has the lines I have more first hand knowledge of. The top 1/2 I really don't have hands on experience with much. That isn't a negative, I just try and keep my opinions to what I have personally observed.

The Conneforde kennel has produced some very strong dominant dogs and seemed to mix well when crossed with Czech. They bred extensively on Pike. A few years back there were a lot of Conneforde dogs imported to the west coast.

The Pedigree is fairly open (line breeding) which is my personal preference. A lot of breeders disagree with me on that though. Interesting in the same generation that Pike appears you have Grim which also happened in one of my breedings but it was a couple of generations closer.

IF I knew more about the parents, it is possibly a breeding that I would be interested in.

I did not look up the hip ratings of the dogs that did not have one listed but would ask what the sire has produced hip wise.

This is just based on the pedigree has nothing to do with the breeder's practices.

Thanks Betty, that's just the info and opinion that I was looking for.

Update: Breeder is now allowing the singleton to socialize with the other litter. I will be meeting the pup for the first time on Monday. And I'm going to try to keep an open mind on evaluating him for my needs.

Thanks to all who have responded.