 Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395048 - 11/10/2014 02:47 PM |
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I would love to find some fun non-destructive activities, but right now it's all babysteps and walking we know how to do. I have discovered he LOVES snow, so am hoping to find something fun we can do in it together. He will chase a ball, stick, empty water bottle, whatever we throw and bring it back several times, but that is when we would have the escalation into the nipping, biting play. So, if I can get his repect and teach him to play without trying to run the game, I think that will become a great way to drain energy. But again, baby steps.
On another note, my Leerburg box came today and, darn it all, even after watching the video and measuring very carefully his DD collar is way too big. I don't know how I did that. But I will be ordering another. My other issue is I have very little hand strength and I don't know if I am going to be able to get the prong collar on and off by myself.  Will have to keep trying with that.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395049 - 11/10/2014 03:49 PM |
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You guys are way out ahead of me. For the moment, my game plan is, prong collar on walks with no corrections, just as a self correcting tool.
Unless something huge comes up, like aggression toward another dog or person. But I honestly have not seen that in him ever.
Also going to start spending more time outside the kennel but tethered to me. We tried that last night and he seems to be ready for it.
So, one question about that: prong collar or dd collar best for that situation? The big issues I foresee there are jumping on furniture, putting his paws on the windowsill to look outside and POUNCING THE CAT.
For the furniture and window, I think "no" and pulling him back will be enough. For the cat, most times that will work, but sometimes he goes into overdrive and something stronger may be needed. Ideas, anyone?
I am trying not to think too far into the future, just stick with a couple of basics and build on those as we go. I am also seriously considering the online course for basic obedience. Anyone done that, would you recommend over just purchasing the video?
A) I would buy BOTH a Leerburg DD Collar (Follow the SIZING INFO exactly!) and a good HS prong Collar from here (I advise getting a SMALL one & buying Extra Links to "size-up" as needed for fitting his neck measurement)...
B) De-Sensitize him to the Prong by putting it on & taking it off Many Times throughout the day WITHOUT ever hooking it to his leash at all (Do NOT USE It even for "self-corrections" at first, just let him Wear it at Random for a few days)...
C) Tethering is so GREAT for Bonding and for "subconsciously" teaching him that YOU are his Leader...
D) http://leerburg.com/dog-cat.htm
E) I have Not done the Online obedience course, but Ed's DVD Is great-Great-GREAT 
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395053 - 11/10/2014 03:47 PM |
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Your dog would be easier to manage if you could find some way to drain out his energy.
Is there any place you can go with him (not a dog park) where he could blow off some steam?
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395054 - 11/10/2014 04:10 PM |
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I would love to find some fun non-destructive activities, but right now it's all babysteps and walking we know how to do. I have discovered he LOVES snow, so am hoping to find something fun we can do in it together. He will chase a ball, stick, empty water bottle, whatever we throw and bring it back several times, but that is when we would have the escalation into the nipping, biting play. So, if I can get his repect and teach him to play without trying to run the game, I think that will become a great way to drain energy. But again, baby steps.
On another note, my Leerburg box came today and, darn it all, even after watching the video and measuring very carefully his DD collar is way too big. I don't know how I did that. But I will be ordering another. My other issue is I have very little hand strength and I don't know if I am going to be able to get the prong collar on and off by myself. Will have to keep trying with that.
Unfortunately, ordering those DD collars is like staring in "Goldilocks and the 3 Bears" (first one too big, second one Too Small, third one JUST RIGHT)...
I would ALSO get the Herm Sprenger CUROGAN Prong Collar from here (The color matches your dog's coat!) -- I'm 66 years old & a weakling, LOL, so "store-bought" Prongs are HARD for me to put on & take off as well ... But I got a Black Steel HS Prong Collar from here (for my BLACK dog) and it is MUCH easier on my HANDS (again, I would buy it in a Size Small and purchase at the same time Enough EXTRA Links for it to fit your dog's Neck Measurement)
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395056 - 11/10/2014 04:44 PM |
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sorry I really don't get the jump to dominant dog collar and prongs from a dog we all including the owner agree is not dominant and just wants, is begging, for some interaction.
seriously?????
this is just so screwy, weird, thoughtless and bizarre imo.
I have talked to more than one MWD dog trainers on this topic that say the need to use a DD collar has only occurred very rarely in an entire life career of training thousands of civil dogs specifically bred and selected for man aggression.
geeez.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395058 - 11/10/2014 04:55 PM |
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i am learning every day. I did think he was dominant at first. I can return them if I decide I am not going yo need them.
What should I use for walking? He pulls my arm off with a flat collar, and even pulls some with a gentle leader.
Handsome Hank
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395059 - 11/10/2014 04:57 PM |
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Your dog would be easier to manage if you could find some way to drain out his energy.
Is there any place you can go with him (not a dog park) where he could blow off some steam?
I have a lovely backyard with a 5 foot brand new chain link fence that will be great once I have control of him. We are getting there. It just takes time and we have only been at it for 9 days.
Handsome Hank
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395061 - 11/10/2014 05:45 PM |
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i am learning every day. I did think he was dominant at first. I can return them if I decide I am not going yo need them.
What should I use for walking? He pulls my arm off with a flat collar, and even pulls some with a gentle leader.
I would stick with a DD collar & a Prong for training purposes -- They are like "power steering" for dogs, and are NOT instruments of punishment Or torture, LOL ... These tools work for "drivey" dogs, for muscular dogs, for untrained Adult Dogs one is attempting to get in hand, and are especially helpful if the dog IN DRIVE is stronger than the handler
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395062 - 11/10/2014 07:13 PM |
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I was thinking more like miles. Like you are in a vehicle and he is trotting along side.
That is more of rural solution, I know. But 5 miles makes a pushy beast into a nice calm guy, IME.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395063 - 11/10/2014 08:07 PM |
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I was thinking more like miles. Like you are in a vehicle and he is trotting along side.
That is more of rural solution, I know. But 5 miles makes a pushy beast into a nice calm guy, IME.
Holy cow, I never thought of that!!! You are a genius. There are lots of places I can do that here. I know what we are doing tomorrow.
Handsome Hank
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