well , we're down to three to go . like i knew it would but i can't believe it has gone by so fast .

just finished the two days of e-collar . as i mentioned in the other thread , i am definitely not anti , but i had never really considered one before . now that i have seen them in action , i almost wished that i had gone to the trouble of conditioning henry to wearing one just so that i could have participated more fully in this weeks program . still it was very interesting to observe the responses of the other dogs , and believe me , this is incentive to really hone your observational skills .

tomorrow we have off , and then on thursday and friday we will be tagging along with another professional dog trainer who operates in this area . i'm looking forward to that .

the following three weeks are all to do with the protection sports , and while i don't have any aspirations in that direction , i'm really interested to be around dogs in that high state of arousal ( and to be the focus of their attention lol ).

aside from some restrained play henry won't be seeing a lot of in class action , so i'll be free to continue to use his energy by working on the obedience behaviours we have been developing . during the advanced obedience week i changed my criteria for his basic positions of sit , stand and down , and the mechanics of getting into those positions so i took the opportunity to change the commands as well . . . henry now speaks a little french !

Hang in there!

I'm not an e-collar person either. Used a bark collar when I first heard of them back in the late 60s. Doubtful if I ever will again even though I know they are light yrs ahead of that thing.

I do believe the remote e-collars can be used properly and successfully. For "me" I've just never found the need.

If I did use one I think the Ellis method is top of the heap.

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just finished the two days of e-collar...

as i mentioned in the other thread, i am definitely not anti, but i had never really considered one before...

now that i have seen them in action , i almost wished that i had gone to the trouble of conditioning henry to wearing one just so that i could have participated more fully in this weeks program...

still it was very interesting to observe the responses of the other dogs , and believe me , this is incentive to really hone your observational skills.

YES, the newest ecollars, used with the most humane training method, allow for such subtle communication with your dog that they enhance the bond between you, IMHO

"BON CHIEN, Henri !!!"

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Used a bark collar when I first heard of them back in the late 60s. Doubtful if I ever will again even though I know they are light yrs ahead of that thing.

I can only imagine what those early Bark-Collars might have been like, and that makes me CRINGE

But the Educator BL-100 model that I use on my Dobies is GREAT...

http://leerburg.com/bl100.htm

Day One:

My sensitive female decided that barking in the yard on pit-stops at 5:AM and 10:PM was no longer a "good idea" after just ONE STIM on the Lowest Level...

My more barky Heavily Coated & Thick Skinned male needed about TWO STIMS on the Second Lowest Level to get the picture...

Day Two till The Present:

Both of them became Dependably Barkless with their collars dialed ALL the way DOWN to "tap-tone" ONLY (a vibe-sound warning With NO Stim whatsoever)...

This is a SUPER product for those living in close proximity to Sleeping OR Anti-Dog neighbors !!! The time-frame for Reliable Non-Barking is basically IMMEDIATE And there is absolutely No Strain on the dog-owner relationship -- Plus, when not wearing their collars, the dogs show ZERO hesitation in Alarm-Barking while on guard-duty (which is what I want).

Anyway, I'm just posting this info in case some readers were thinking of getting a No-Bark Collar...

Nice description Candi.

I can stop my dogs from barking with one tap on the window.

Of course when I'm gone only my neighbors can hear them.

Fabulous idea, Candi. I'm tempted to buy this too. Only problem: When the dogs have a guarding task, we must take the collars off. Of course, when we are away, ONLY THE NEIGHBOURS ( :grin can hear them, Bob!!!

But also in the night their barking should drive away certain individuals, so - collars off. But what about us? How then can we sleep? It seems to me to be an unsolvable problem. A decision for or against.

Our Pits are awfull barkers. They bark because of every little beast which comes near to our house, often also because of the neighbours dogs. Then we have four dogs barking without end.

Bob, how do you succeed to stop them with one tap on the window? This sounds like witchcraft! Do they not begin to bark again afterwards?

I'm training regularly Bark and Quiet. During the session no issue at all. But in the night or when guests come it doesn't work in the least or with some luck for a few seconds.

On the finger tap on the window.

What actually happens is it breaks the cycle of whatever they are doing.

When a wolf goes hunting sheep it starts when it sees the sheep, starts to stalk the sheep, chases the sheep, catches the sheep, devours the sheep.

The sooner this cycle of see, stalk, chase, catch, devour is disrupted the faster the wolf stops it's behavior.

Enter the sheep guarding dogs such as a Pyrenees,Kangal, Akbash, etc.

In the early stages of the wolf's hunting cycle all it usually takes is a bark from the herd guarding dog to disrupt that cycle.

The further down the line the wolf is in the hunting cycle the harder it is to disrupt that cycle.

That tap on the window is my disrupting that cycle when the dogs start barking or better yet if I see them alert on the corner of the fence at the neighbors dogs.

On the few occasions it's past the alert or bark then all I have to do is go out the door with a bit of an attitude and they get the picture.

That's uncommon because the dogs don't like seeing me like that.

I occasionally go beyond being such a nice old grandpa.



The dog don't want that.

Uuuuuh! But I really doubt if this will work with my dogs. If I appear in leader's posture and say quiet, there will be silence for an instant, but as long as the trigger doesn't disappear, they will start again. I would have to get up a 100 times a night.

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Fabulous idea, Candi. I'm tempted to buy this too. Only problem: When the dogs have a guarding task, we must take the collars off. Of course, when we are away, ONLY THE NEIGHBOURS ( :grin can hear them, Bob!!!

But also in the night their barking should drive away certain individuals, so - collars off. But what about us? How then can we sleep? It seems to me to be an unsolvable problem. A decision for or against.

Our Pits are awfull barkers. They bark because of every little beast which comes near to our house, often also because of the neighbours dogs. Then we have four dogs barking without end.

Bob, how do you succeed to stop them with one tap on the window? This sounds like witchcraft! Do they not begin to bark again afterwards?

I'm training regularly Bark and Quiet. During the session no issue at all. But in the night or when guests come it doesn't work in the least or with some luck for a few seconds.

Sorry, but training dogs not to bark when on Night Time guard-duty OUTDOORS (except in the case of human intruders on your property) is way beyond my "pay grade"

With my two there is a difference their fence barks at the neighbors dog and a "someone is out there" bark.

The different tempo in their barking is different.

In addition, the barking in the corner at the neighbors dog is closest to our bedroom so it's not only a different tempo but louder.

When the see me through the sliding glass door in the kitchen they no better then bark at the neighbors dog.