 Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400004 - 12/03/2015 07:04 AM |
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You are wonderful Christina. I wouldn't pay too much attention to those posts toward yourself personally. 
I could be wrong in this case, but I've noticed that many people will often say things that they think other readers will benefit from when they stumble across the thread that isn't a personal answer to you. It's more of a general answer for anyone struggling with tug to consider.
I personally feel that trying to get your dog to see the rewarding value of something that you would consider a fun thing to do, like tugging, is worth the extra thought and effort!
Another idea for you would be to make a habit of restricting their activity for a while before going out to tug. If they are bored and antsy to do something they will be more receptive.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400005 - 12/03/2015 08:06 AM |
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I would find something irresistable to the dog, not a traditional tug or rag to start with. I use lifelike looking stuffed rabbits and squirrels. You can probably find something on a hunters website that they use to train their dogs, I imagine.
Then I would kennel them before playtime. How long depends on the dog. Some go batty and need something to do quickly. An hour builds my boy up perfectly.
Then take them out to play just like you were taught. When you are finished, whether or not they tug, put them back in their kennel for a time. Take them out again to perform things they do very well with their favorite reward.
Keep at this pattern that becomes a predictable routine for them and see if they start loving tug. If they do then, hooray, you brought it out! If not then, oh well, you just taught them to do something else that isn't their favorite thing to do. 
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400006 - 12/03/2015 09:33 AM |
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Hi, Christina;
My post was certainly not directed at any one person in particular. As Nicole said, these topics feed into a pool of information that is shared by many different types of dog people, and some of the replies apply to casual dog owners as well as working dog fanatics.
My intent is to remind all of us that the most important common factor is the relationship with our dogs. I have used all of the methods that Nicole suggested (plus many more from world class handlers) to build drive for my dog. My goal was also to build engagement in a game that would be rewarding for the dog and could be used as a training reward. However, what I came to realize is that, even though my dog enjoys playing tug with me, it will never be as rewarding as some of the other rewards in our reward system. Therefore, the engagement and focus that my dog gives in training are better when I use a reward that she values more than tug.
I also found that there were better means of fostering drive and engagement WITH THIS DOG than the typical means suggested by top-shelf competitors (who were training a different class of dog altogether). No matter how exciting I tried to make myself for my dog, she would get only so excited for the tug.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
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#400007 - 12/03/2015 12:23 PM |
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Hi Duane, Carol, Candy, Bob!!!
I do agree mostly with your opinions and thank you for writing so honestly.
But I think there is some misundestanding. I'm not stuck on that tugging and it is not at all the only thing I play with them. I invest only very little time in it. I put itme thinking about it, how i could make it better, looking for a way they could find fun in this.
I do play with them, what they like most. One of many other examples "Hide nd Seek".I'm not a person who forces the dogs to do something,or which bores them or they have some other avrrsion against.No lessons of struggle!!!
I too have a good relationship with my dogs. They always come running when I apprar in the garden, espciallyv
when they realize that we are going to do something togethe, which is always fun for them and myself.
But I don't agree with you why I shouldn't give some try in something, I´m learning in a course - a very fabulous course by the way - as long as I keep those trials short, dependent on the reaction of the individual dog.
I've alredy played tug with one of my Pits, when she wss in the mood. When I catch such moments she get's really crazy about it (but not in an aggressive way). She know the rules of the game exactly. But she isn't in that mood very often. It can also be, because we alraedy have played enough other things during that day. I then without exception leave it.
I do like to read other peoples opinions, even if we don't aggree in everything. What I frankly completely DISLIKE are comments like "cruelty". I am absolutely not tryng to meke out of my dogs what they not are. This would mean forcing, boring, demotivating them. I think I have explained these things meanwhie various times enough. Just spending some thoughts how I cculd do things better, how to make it happen that my dogs might discover
the fun of tugging is certainly not cruelty in the least and in any sense of the word. Please no such remarks again.
I will without doubt be going trying to teach them this game, to have fun with it, this gradually and individually.
Hey Christina, that remark was DEFINITELY not meant for you!! It was a GENERAL statement AND something I have been dealing with in regards to my own dog's preferences. I think you might be surprised to learn how many people try to "force" their dog into directions that are not suited to that dog. I sort of spun off your thread into another aspect.
Great to try different methods, otherwise how do you know if they like it or don't?
It just sounded as though you were disappointed in your dog's response to tugging, so we were all letting you know about instances where motivation was good without the tug.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
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#400008 - 12/04/2015 05:40 AM |
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Thanks,Nicole. I wrote to Mark Keating too and asked, if it would perhaps be better if I separated the tugging temporarily from the other sessions, as there they always anticipate food. He answered, he in my situation would absolutely do this. I could later on, once they discovered the fun of this game, I could then use it as reward.
This goes in your direction.
Thanks you so much. I'll certainly use your advice, as it is very plausible to me.
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#400009 - 12/04/2015 05:56 AM |
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Hi Duane, Carol, Candy, Bob!!!
I do agree mostly with your opinions and thank you for writing so honestly.
But I think there is some misundestanding. I'm not stuck on that tugging and it is not at all the only thing I play with them. I invest only very little time in it. I put itme thinking about it, how i could make it better, looking for a way they could find fun in this.
I do play with them, what they like most. One of many other examples "Hide nd Seek".I'm not a person who forces the dogs to do something,or which bores them or they have some other avrrsion against.No lessons of struggle!!!
I too have a good relationship with my dogs. They always come running when I apprar in the garden, espciallyv
when they realize that we are going to do something togethe, which is always fun for them and myself.
But I don't agree with you why I shouldn't give some try in something, I´m learning in a course - a very fabulous course by the way - as long as I keep those trials short, dependent on the reaction of the individual dog.
I've alredy played tug with one of my Pits, when she wss in the mood. When I catch such moments she get's really crazy about it (but not in an aggressive way). She know the rules of the game exactly. But she isn't in that mood very often. It can also be, because we alraedy have played enough other things during that day. I then without exception leave it.
I do like to read other peoples opinions, even if we don't aggree in everything. What I frankly completely DISLIKE are comments like "cruelty". I am absolutely not tryng to meke out of my dogs what they not are. This would mean forcing, boring, demotivating them. I think I have explained these things meanwhie various times enough. Just spending some thoughts how I cculd do things better, how to make it happen that my dogs might discover
the fun of tugging is certainly not cruelty in the least and in any sense of the word. Please no such remarks again.
I will without doubt be going trying to teach them this game, to have fun with it, this gradually and individually.
Hey Christina, that remark was DEFINITELY not meant for you!! It was a GENERAL statement AND something I have been dealing with in regards to my own dog's preferences. I think you might be surprised to learn how many people try to "force" their dog into directions that are not suited to that dog. I sort of spun off your thread into another aspect.
Great to try different methods, otherwise how do you know if they like it or don't?
It just sounded as though you were disappointed in your dog's response to tugging, so we were all letting you know about instances where motivation was good without the tug.
Thanks for answering, I now understand you much better. I actually sented myself pushed into a corner, where I do not belong. Your words gave me the impression that you were fixed in your mind on a picture of my person too precipitatly. But everything's fine now! Things like that can happen. Apart from this I'm always glad about your answers.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
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#400010 - 12/04/2015 06:56 AM |
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Your exactly on the same page, Nancy.That's how i'm doing that adventure.
The dogs have all kind of different toys which can e used for tugging. But you're rith, maybe I can find soething that gives them the drive. Hunter's website, great idea. The only thing is, that hunters normally choose dogs, who really do have enough prey drive. Nevertheless! It will be worth trying and perhaps even writing there. If anything will work, then of course are many other ways of having fun. One soeciality: Running with them in all different unexpected curves, standing still for a while, jumoing away.The love that, but of course I cannot compete with a dog, I
sorry, this post "went off" before it was finished. After I edited the ufiniwshed one appered various time. I trie to delete, bit t doesn't work
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
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Your exactly on the same page, Nancy.That's how i'm doing that adventure.
The dogs have all kind of different toys which can e used for tugging. But you're rith, maybe I can find soething that gives them the drive. Hunter's website, great idea. The only thing is, that hunters normally choose dogs, who really do have enough prey drive. Nevertheless! It will be worth trying and perhaps even writing there. If anything will work, then of course are many other ways of having fun. One soeciality: Running with them in all different unexpected curves, standing still for a while, jumoing away.The love that, but of course I cannot compete with a dog, I
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Your exactly on the same page, Nancy.That's how i'm doing that adventure.
The dogs have all kind of different toys which can e used for tugging. But you're rith, maybe I can find soething that gives them the drive. Hunter's website, great idea. The only thing is, that hunters normally choose dogs, who really do have enough prey drive. Nevertheless! It will be worth trying and perhaps even writing there. If anything will work, then of course are many other ways of having fun. One soeciality: Running with them in all different unexpected curves, standing still for a while, jumoing away.The love that, but of course I cannot compete with a dog, I
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