Do you see any problem with a PP dog that is locked in defense when doing bite work? My dog was trained in prey but hasn't bit in prey in several years. He's a friendly, stable and confident dog all the way around. So I'm not sure if there is really any point in doing any prey work with him anymore.
I mention this because a new (to us anyway) and apparently experienced decoy told another trainer and myself that my dog was "all defense, no prey". But he is also a sport helper and so maybe his perspective on what my dog should be and what my actual need for my dog to be are two different things.
If you want to reward the defense and have the dog bite in defense, and then create fight drive, you will have to make the bite itself a fight. For example you are in the blind, the dog comes in in a fighting, not prey mode, or comes in a bit on defense, I would then rewrd this with a bite and then put the dog on the ground (all four legs) and stress it a bit by tapping the dog with the whip in his front legs and letting go of the sleeve, thus making the fight and the dog winning. The whole thing would last for about 2 or 3 seconds in the foundation training. the type of method I would use to stress the dog would also depend on the dog.
Originally posted by Dave Lilley: A reward ALWAYS INCREASES the behavior.
It may depend on the dog... if I want to reward defense or fight drive but teach the dog to channel or relieve stress into prey... we will likely see LESS DEFENSIVE behavior......
There are many different areas that we "address" while moulding a dog to a level where the drives are working in accordance with that which pushes the dog to the "highest" level of intensity which we are trying to achieve, for that specific dog. We don't create a drive and loose the intensity at the last momemt, or at least we don't want to, we want the intensity with everything been channelled into the "bite" (for lack of a better word or final "destination" with the dog been able to hold this "drive"/intensity as called for by the situation. Not so easy! I know! Sure we must consider the dog in question, does he have the goods? Drives can be frustrated, contained or "raised" all in conjunction with creating the right "attitude" within the dog to really COOK!
Is it possible to train the typical working dog to bite RELIABLY (for real / no sleeve) by channeling the defense into prey? Or must the dog be given the bite entirely in defense to be reliable?
My concern is that if the dog does not see a sleeve or suit... or can not find a good target... he may not bite even though he has received some work in defense with prey.
Originally posted by Dave Lilley: Is it possible to train the typical working dog to bite RELIABLY (for real / no sleeve) by channeling the defense into prey? Or must the dog be given the bite entirely in defense to be reliable?
My concern is that if the dog does not see a sleeve or suit... or can not find a good target... he may not bite even though he has received some work in defense with prey. A suit is nothing more then a big sleeve if used on a regular basis. It will be the helper that molds the dogs abilty to bite in real situations if the dog has the in-born traits to start. The equipment is only an aid in training the dog. Muzzle work is the best way I know to proof a dog, not a bodysuit. A bodysuit can make a dog more comfortable in biting diffrent places on the body. A hidden sleeve can be used from time to time, but if used too often the dogs can discover that it is bitng a sleeve.
You say that a dog does not have to bite soley in defense to reliably bite for real.
How do you know this... can you elaborate?
Can muzzle and hidden sleeve work be done in defense?
How can you ensure that the dog is fight drive, rather than defense?
*Also Michael, can you edit your previous post so that your comments don't appear in my quote?
Originally posted by Crabtree: Kevin, a simple question. At what point when the dog is in Defense doesa it turn into Fight Drive?
Hope you can clear this up for me. I've asked before and did not get a answer.
Thanks NEVER EVER. Defense is not fight (combat). Defense is based in worry, fear, concern over what they are facing.
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