Kevin,
I am assuming the three PSD's are Jr, Andre, and Abby.

That litter people keep talking about, it was great. A true working litter. There is another in that litter also in NM, going to do Narc work for a PI. Then there is the one that Michelle and Chris are talking about. 5 true working dogs. My hat's off to Kevin and CJ. As well as Ed, for allowing me to have Danu.

Todd,

Wasn't Axel originally slated to go to a police dept or be trained as a PSD? If that was the case that would have been 4 from one litter!!!

My hat off to Ed and Kevin also.

When my wife heard about this litter I was simply told "This is your next dog and he will be here in 2 days" You can imagine that I didn't put up much of an arguement. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Originally posted by Todd E. Gaster:
But remember Czech lines have no prey!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

yeah, and they have those weak little thin bones too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

The talking about Eron Mat-Roz (probably spelled it wrong) got me to thinking about Fox Jan-Jar. What did yall think of him, he died early at 6yrs d/t complications from a previous injury (or at least that's what I heard). I was keeping an eye on him and possibly considering getting another dog out of him, now I will have to persue other areas, but that's still over a year away before we look at getting another male.

Chris,

Yes Axel was picked for a PSD. Like I said way back when on this thread, there were 5 puppies that could not go to an inexperienced home.

Mike...I know an awful lot of Czech dogs and lines and Unfortunately I can't say I know Fox. I would bet someone else here does though.

Fox Jan-Jar has an excellent pedigree. Again another good Eron Mat-Roz son. He has a brother called Flot Jan-Jar who has competed at the Czech nationals. Flot is a good dog as well.
I was interested in Fox as well and then bugger me if he dosent pass away.
This makes me think of another subject for another place - Why do so many excellent working studs go to the states and no one uses them. eg Ron vh Bernhart mader, CJ, Condor u Alfreda, Arko Honest,Olymp Policia, etc, etc. I understand Mink was in the US before going back to Germany. How many times was he bred to in the US?
If people are looking at working Czech studs in the US absolutly look at CJ. Great pedigree. Havent seen him work but too many good reports not to be good. And somehow I don't think someone like Kevin would feed a dog that was not of the higgest quality.

Sorry, I forgot to talk about Fox's pedigree. His father is awesome both in Genotype and Phenotype. Eron's sister is Erika Mat-Roz winner of the FCI world championships in 97. His other sister is Ema Mat-Roz, who has produced the EXCELLENT E litter for the Chabet kennels. Emir and Ema Chabet are two very impressive competition dogs in Slovakia. The owner and breeder of Emir Chabet was also the owner of the father of Eron Mat-Roz, Charon.
Eron does produce longish coats sometimes however.
The mother of Fox is a daughter of Car pod Molnosskou banou. Car was a super producer of working dogs and is the father of Cordon An-sat. Most Czech working people consider Cordon the greatest working dog in Czech ever. He was extreme in every facit. Extreme prey drives, extreme aggression, extremely hard together with the strongest nerves. They call him "Mr. Dog"
His mothers mother lines go back on the Ulicek kennels. Mr Navotny calls them the oldest old Czech lines that are known for much anger.
Fox had an awesome pedigree that has in my mind no weaknesses. It is a pity he went so young. But then again maybe he wouldn't have been bred to very much either <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I think there are a couple reasons the Czech studs come here and are not used. One is the rumor mill. The second the Czech lines are just in the last couple years starting to become well known. Give you an example I have 3 TOP Czech studs. Lery Naspo just an example. I have not had one inquiry into using him. He produces some amazing things. Not sure I would stud him out anyway. But I haven't been asked.

Todd,

Do you show your dogs, or train with any club? It sounds like you have nice bloodlines, I would like to see them sometime.

Gretta Welsh

Todd,
Could you say a little more about your comment that some of the Czech dogs you have seen looked a little skiddish as pups? I am seeing this in my 13 month old Czech bitch. She is out of lines that Chris mentioned. The sire is Olymp Policia and Cordon An-Sat is the great grandsire on the dam's side. My bitch does great with me training at home. She does obedience in drive for the food or toy, loves to bite the tug with a firm grip with me, but when I go to the club training field she seems insecure and doesn't work for the food or toy, and won't bite the tug with another helper. It's like she isn't sure if it's a game or something she should be more concerned about. I'm not sure how much of what I'm seeing is a nerve/temperament problem vs. something that will improve with maturity. At what age did the pups you mentioned look skiddish, and can you explain what insecure behaviors you saw? My bitch seems most uncomfortable around unfamiliar dogs. It seemed her prey drive went dormant for a while, and now she's like a pup again, biting my feet when we walk in the yard.

I would like to learn more about DDR and Czeck lines.....I would like to make an academic ( there I go again VanCamp) pursuit of it. I have alwzays had West German lines either high or working. I have not been lucky enough to be exposed to either DDR or Czeck. Were do I go for ACCURATE information that is not laden with opinion or conjecture? Are there a bloodline charts or Koer Reports to be studied?