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It's about professionalism. And pictures of PPD's and kids on a site are a lame advertising device usually used by amateurs and show that the vendor is not serious ( and usually not knowledgeable, either ) about their dogs.

And I'm in agreement with Jeff there, photo's like that would be an instants disqualification for the purchase of a serious PPD in my book.

You mean pics of kids with ppd's, like your link to capitalcanine? when you go to available dogs page there's the obligatory pic of a kid sitting on a malinois ppd. Gee, I guess that's "instant disqualification for the purchase of a serious ppd" in your book. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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Symeon,
While I don't agree with that picture ( it was from the dog's previous owner ), the bitch is one of the rare dogs that I'd consider both absolutely stable with children but could still provide real world protection. But those types of dogs are so rare that they can't be provided to prospective buyer's on demand, if ever.

And the trainer at Capital Canine is one of the very best in this country, period. Let me know when you're able to match 1/10 of his ability and accomplishments, ok?

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Symeon,
While I don't agree with that picture ( it was from the dog's previous owner ), the bitch is one of the rare dogs that I'd consider both absolutely stable with children but could still provide real world protection. But those types of dogs are so rare that they can't be provided to prospective buyer's on demand, if ever.

And the trainer at Capital Canine is one of the very best in this country, period. Let me know when you're able to match 1/10 of his ability and accomplishments, ok?

Thanks for your lame explanation, of said dog is the exception to the rule.What you believe is unprofessional as far as website exploitation of kids and ppd's just deosn't apply here. Sell it to someone else Ace.

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And the trainer at Capital Canine is one of the very best in this country, period. Let me know when you're able to match 1/10 of his ability and accomplishments, ok?

Great, now it's matching training ability, as if I ever questioned any persons ability to train a dog compared to me. Just stick to your double standard of thinking, o.k.?

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the bitch is one of the rare dogs that I'd consider both absolutely stable with children but could still provide real world protection. But those types of dogs are so rare that they can't be provided to prospective buyer's on demand, if ever.

Every person with a website featuring pictures of kids sitting on a ppd can make the same exact claim.

"Every person with a website featuring pictures of kids sitting on a ppd can make the same exact claim."


Yep, the difference being that the dogs that they sell can't/ won't stop a determined attacker. His will.
And if people just had a small amount of information and tested the finished "ppd" dogs that they were considering buying, they'd see the truth in what I'm saying. Sadly, it usually isn't until they get the dog home that they discover all the flaws - and by then a hefty portion of the people are so embarrassed at the mistake that they've made that they end up defending their mistake, even when it's obvious that the dog can't do it's job. That always amazes me when I see that, it's a weird part of human nature...

As far as I can determine from my experience around this country, there are five kennels/ vendors that produce a ppd that I'd bet my life on, the rest are depending on fooling a buyer into buying what they pass off as a "ppd".

I've said it before several times - the biggest scam in dogs currently happens in the so-called "ppd" field.

I think that the imagery of a child and a dog is a strong emotional draw for people selecting a PPD. I do not train and sell PPD's but it seems to me that a primary motivator for someone buying a PPD would be to protect the family. I also agree with Will, there are far too many unscrupulous people selling dogs to uniformed customers. I also think that a lot of these people get what is coming to them, you can’t expect a dog to perform without ongoing training, you are not buying a robot that just needs to be programmed once. It seems to me that there are probably a lot of dogs that are sold with good foundation training that are ruined by their new owners. If I was new to dog’s and going to purchase a trained PPD I would start by shopping the trainers, I would look at what programs they have in place to train me as a handler, and to keep the dog's training sharp. I think that anyone who sells a trained PPD without a follow up plan to continue the dogs and the new handlers training is negligent. I don’t think the problem is how these guys are advertising, their advertising seems to be doing the job, I think the problem is the trainers belief that their job is done when they deliver the dog.

Hello again,

I thought that I would write this post to update you all on our purchase of a trained PPD.
We went to view the dog at the trainers premises and his set-up was very professional and impressive, the mood was open & friendly and all of our questions were answered without hesitation by Charles and his staff.
Our new family member - Axel - has been with us for a month now and is proving to be a great asset to the household. He is great with my 2yo daughter and has never once shown any ill feeling towards her or my wife and I. He is very playful when we are out and very laid back around the house. His obedience work is 1st class even though we are new to him, we do about 10mins of obedience training with him each day (as recommended by A1K9), which is proving to be ideal. His protection work demonstartions were very impressive and I am planning on taking him for a bite on a new agitator next month (as recommended & contact provided by A1K9) to refresh his training.
We saw a variety of dogs at A1K9 with range of temperaments and what has stood out for us is Charles choice of dog for us, we have a low security risk in the area we live and we also have a young family, therefore a dog that has a hair trigger temperament or similar would not have been suitable for us. Axel is just right for us - laid back & fun to be around, very alert and inquisitive, good with other dogs, aloof with strangers(they can stroke him a couple of times then he's not interested) and he has also proven that he's not shy to be aggressive when he has to be.
I would whole-heartedly recommend Charles Wall at A1K9 to anyone seeking a reliable and trained PPD whose temperament & training would be suited to your requirements. There were a couple there purchasing a 2nd dog from him when we were there. Charles and his staff are a friendly bunch too, no gung-ho attitude which you might expect from some.

Thanks to all for your advice throughout this thread, I'll no doubt be writing a few more threads in the near future when I continue with Axel's training.

All the best
Dave.