Kelly Godwin wrote 02/22/2006 08:12 PM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Mike Bishop ] #98828 - 02/22/2006 08:12 PM
Kelly Godwin Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2006 Posts: 43 Loc: Offline	Quote:  Quote: Where oh where might I get Vitamin E and fish oil for him? I give my dogs the same ones that I take (I usually get mine from Wal-Mart).  Quote: I've had two dogs who were allergic to flax I added the flax only after the condition started in hopes that it would help. It didn't. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Any idea on the dosage? I have a 6 lb JRT... thanks for the info!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/22/2006 08:34 PM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Kelly Godwin ] #98829 - 02/22/2006 08:34 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ....Any idea on the dosage? .... Salmon oil for people: Follow the bottle suggestions, assuming they mean a 150-pound person, and adjust accordingly for the dog's weight. Vitamin E for people: You can use more than the adjusted human RDA. The dog RDA is 50 IU per pound of food, but I use considerably more. I found some of the Vitamin E articles I read explaining why more than the canine RDA of Vitamin E could be tolerated. This site: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&articleid=710 has this to say: QUOTE: There are no known Vitamin E toxicities in the dog and cat. Fed even at huge levels, no interruption of bodily functions has been demonstrated. Recommendations on the daily dose are highly variable depending on the source. END Also, scroll down to the "Vitamin E" heading here: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_2001_Sept/ai_80532259/pg_3 Also looked at the Pitcairn book, which says (a little vaguely) "I include extra Vitamin E in the diet for several reasons. Not only does it aid important body functions, such as fighting disease, but it also helps minimize the effects of pollution."
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Michelle Overall wrote 02/23/2006 12:20 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #98830 - 02/23/2006 12:20 AM
Michelle Overall Webboard User Reg: 12-01-2005 Posts: 152 Loc: Offline	Shucks those pics indicate something more serious <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Definitley something up,this looks like huge Hot spots, if it is seasonal, then it could be the heat and the diet maybe to rich/not agreeable??, if it is all year round easing off slightly in winter, then it is more likely an allergy,and it is a elimantion process, you will have to undergo to find the cause.Grass is a big problem, I have heard this is quite common as the PH of a shepherds skin is very senstive, hope it works out and you find the cause. Sitz.. platz...Daiquiri anyone? "Bart Humperdink Simpson"
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/23/2006 12:31 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Michelle Overall ] #98831 - 02/23/2006 12:31 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Shucks those pics indicate something more serious.... The pictures were from the person who posted this: "That test is being done by the dermotologist next week, and is going to cost a fortune ($850)..." There are a few people on this thread talking about varying degrees of skin pruritis. It got a little confusing, I think, if you just jumped in. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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ross kaplan wrote 02/23/2006 11:04 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #98832 - 02/23/2006 11:04 AM
ross kaplan Webboard User Reg: 01-24-2006 Posts: 1 Loc: Offline	I've read your thread, it sounds like the fundamental problem is that you still don't have a diagnosis, just a string of treatments. I'm a dermatologist, and while I'm not a veterinarian, I can make some suggestions. You need a skin biopsy, or preferably, several biopsies to be performed. Fungal cultures/stains can be sent off on the tissue as well. My initial take is that this is a fungal infection based on the pictures, but I think you need a biposy-proven diagnosis. There are Vet. Derms too, I know here in CA the UCDavis vet school has a derm residency, with specialists in the city of Orange. Lastly, I'm sorry to hear the Dermatologist near you wants so much$. You can send me any photos, or ideally, the biopsy slide/block, and I'll look at them for free. Ross S Kaplan, M.D. Diplomate, American Academy of Dermatology my dog:SG 1 (CZ) Amigo Sarandon SVV1, SVV2 (SK)
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/23/2006 04:12 PM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: ross kaplan ] #98833 - 02/23/2006 04:12 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: I've read your thread, it sounds like the fundamental problem is that you still don't have a diagnosis, just a string of treatments. I'm a dermatologist, and while I'm not a veterinarian, I can make some suggestions. You need a skin biopsy, or preferably, several biopsies to be performed. Fungal cultures/stains can be sent off on the tissue as well. My initial take is that this is a fungal infection based on the pictures, but I think you need a biposy-proven diagnosis. There are Vet. Derms too, I know here in CA the UCDavis vet school has a derm residency, with specialists in the city of Orange. Lastly, I'm sorry to hear the Dermatologist near you wants so much$. You can send me any photos, or ideally, the biopsy slide/block, and I'll look at them for free. Ross S Kaplan, M.D. Diplomate, American Academy of Dermatology my dog:SG 1 (CZ) Amigo Sarandon SVV1, SVV2 (SK) What a great reply to Henry, the original poster who added pictures later in the thread. (And I do believe that Will, too, had mentioned biopsies and fungus tests.) If you feel like answering another question along these lines, I've twice had dogs with fungal infections on their skin. Both took forever to diagnose; they looked nothing alike; both dogs were rescues with other skin problems related to allergies; both responded quickly and well to the med we finally got when we finally had a diagnosis of fungus. I've followed other threads here, too, wherein the poster went through weeks and many dollars and several tentative diagnoses before the fungus diagnosis. Do you have any suggestions for speeding up this process, or it just a matter of narrowing it down and narrowing it down until biopsies and stains are the last tests?
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Henry Zektser wrote 02/24/2006 07:57 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #98834 - 02/24/2006 07:57 AM
Henry Zektser Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2004 Posts: 28 Loc: Offline	I NEVER expected to be so happy to say this, but, my pooch (I'm 90% sure) has fungus! Since my vet can't get us in till next week, I figured there's no harm in trying a topical antifungal/antibacterial. Almost overnight (36 hrs or so), the spot is white and dried out. His nipples are smaller and soft again, and his hind quarters are white. I'll post pics this afternoon. Maybe I finally figured it out though. Yay!
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Will Rambeau wrote 02/24/2006 09:50 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Henry Zektser ] #98835 - 02/24/2006 09:50 AM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Great! And the rules of Dermatology that I posted early in the thread work for yet another patient! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Mike Bishop wrote 02/24/2006 10:21 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Henry Zektser ] #98836 - 02/24/2006 10:21 AM
Mike Bishop Webboard User Reg: 01-17-2005 Posts: 139 Loc: CO Offline	Henry - that sounds like great news. Hopefully that will solve the problem -- I look forward to your next update on your dog's progress. I may give the anti-fungal a shot myself as my dog's condition looks very similar to your dogs and I am not 100% convinced that the grass allergy is solely responsible for his skin problem. Which topical product did you use if you don't mind me asking? In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths. Proverbs 3:6
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Henry Zektser wrote 02/24/2006 10:29 AM Re: Help! weird skin problem [Re: Mike Bishop ] #98837 - 02/24/2006 10:29 AM
Henry Zektser Webboard User Reg: 05-02-2004 Posts: 28 Loc: Offline	Actually, I had some generic wal-mart antifungal athelete's foot stuff. Thats what I used. The progress is pretty impressive so far.
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