 Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
[Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ]
#124515 - 01/13/2007 11:07 AM |
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Yes that would be a total BS 
I will never accept the fact that designer dogs are a good thing, all it creates are more backyard breeders and more dogs at the pound, gee what's so good about that? 
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124542 - 01/13/2007 01:58 PM |
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I saw a seqment on 60 min or 20/20 (one of those type of shows) which featured on of these "Designer Breeders". The man practically had dollar signs for pupils & drool coming out of his mouth. He was actually bragging about his next great thing, miniature saint bernards. This man was also bragging about how he was the original breeder of puggles. I would consider him a real joke if it weren't for all the poor dogs.
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
[Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ]
#124552 - 01/13/2007 03:16 PM |
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Wendy -
That is my major beef with it as well..the cash grab. Being a PB lover that is exactly what is happening to the PB breeds and is quickly becoming their down fall. Lord knows what will happen to these adult designer breeds..and what hazards they will create. APBT fanciers believe the Am Staffs are mutts as they are bred away from the original standard and mixed with who knows what for huge heads and thick necks and so on...and walla we have all kinds of irratic behavior that was not seen 20 years ago in the APBT. It is sad we do not learn from history, even as we are creating it.
I always giggle when I think of a PB/Shitzu mix...I would call it BS, and that is what I think of all this designer dog activity. Lets hope we are all prepared for the consequences.******sigh******
Yes, that would be BS! A yappy, long-haired pit. Just lovely.
Just a quick correction on the AmStaff being mixed. I think that the AmStaff is not a target really. It's certain bloodlines. Most AmStaffs and APBT can't be told apart still. IMO they are results of very particular breedings for the slight differences. There are certain bloodlines of APBT and AmStaff that end up looking like "pitopotamus" as a few of us so lovingly refer to them. Huge necks, weighing in at 90lbs+, big heads, short legs, etc. Most of these dogs are blue, although not all blues come from these lines nor are they all mixed. That's like the merle pits...they were results of pits crossed with catahloua (sp?) to make a better catch dog, and papers were hung as pure APBT. There are still people who swear up and down that the merles are purebred although original breeders admit they're not.
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124563 - 01/13/2007 04:18 PM |
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Tiffany -
I hear what you are saying and I am very familiar with APBT bloodlines as well as Staffs...I have one of each. My only point was to those that breed the APBT true to form the Am Staff is a mix...therefore a mutt. To the APBT fancier any APBT mixed with an Am Staff is a mix to them. Only pure blooded APBT bred to other pure APBT are considered by these folks to be APBTs. Now I won't argue either way because I don't breed and never will, but I know this is a staunch belief of those that seriously breed the APBT...that is all I was saying.
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
[Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ]
#124565 - 01/13/2007 04:40 PM |
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Val is correct about a pit being mixed with a staff being a mutt to a diehard pit enthusiast. To them, the AmStaff is bred for all the wrong reasons...kinda like an American GSD, lol. Sure, they all have their place, but true pit fans are focused on polar opposite aspects than AmStaff breeders. To them, it's totally unacceptable to breed such ridiculously large heads, necks, etc., when the original pit is supposed to be an athlete above all else. I need to find a website with great comparisons...even though we've gotten really off-topic.
p.s. Here is my ideal APBT...although I may be just a teeny bit biased, she has near perfect proportions, no exaggerations, and actually has legs instead of stumps. She also is able to bend her neck, as it is smaller than a one hundred year old oak tree  . http://www.photobucket.com/albums/d33/Jenwilliams918/DSC03099.jpg
Please excuse my obvious bragging on my pretty girl 
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124568 - 01/13/2007 05:02 PM |
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Val, sorry but I think I misunderstood you. I agree that mixing an AmStaff and APBT results in mutts. I thought you were referring to AmStaffs being mutts. My point to that was selective breeding resulted in the appearance of the AmStaff.
I agree that the true APBT is damn near perfect. I LOVE them. Although I can understand why people wanted the AmStaffs (basically the show version), even if I don't agree with everything.
Jenni, you're girl is a doll. :-)
My boy is Hemphill/Red Boy on top and Colby on bottom. He's a rescue, but his papers were turned over by his owners ex-g/f after the dog was found, etc. Not nearly as pretty, but I think he's gorgeous anyway :-)
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124571 - 01/13/2007 05:28 PM |
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124572 - 01/13/2007 05:31 PM |
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Tiffany, I like all three of those lines, though you don't see them much anymore. So nice to see someone else w/out "junkyard" style pits. I lucked out big time w/Mia. She's a rescue, given up w/her 2 littermates after Dad walked out on the family and Mom couldn't handle all 3 pits, plus FIVE kids...go figure. Supposedly, he paid a fortune for them, and I can see why. She's ideal in almost every way, temperament, conformation, but she was pretty much a child's plaything, so her OB needs some serious improvement  . We're working on that  . They would not give me her papers, though. Stupid, I thought, since she was spayed anyway.
Edited to say: Val, what cuties!!! Not a bad looking Staff...;-)
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124573 - 01/13/2007 05:44 PM |
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p.s. Here is my ideal APBT...although I may be just a teeny bit biased, she has near perfect proportions, no exaggerations, and actually has legs instead of stumps. She also is able to bend her neck, as it is smaller than a one hundred year old oak tree . http://www.photobucket.com/albums/d33/Jenwilliams918/DSC03099.jpg
Please excuse my obvious bragging on my pretty girl
Jenni, having not met many well bred APBTs, I have got to tell you that she is the most beautiful APBT I have ever seen! I love her coloring.
Edited to add: Everyone's dogs are lovely, by the way. Didn't mean to single Jenni out! 
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Re: Designer Dogs...a bad idea is getting worse
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#124576 - 01/13/2007 06:14 PM |
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Valerie, I have always had a weakness for staffies, especially those gorgeous faces.
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