Denise Rinker wrote 09/03/2007 08:45 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #154276 - 09/03/2007 08:45 PM
Denise Rinker Webboard User Reg: 02-18-2007 Posts: 174 Loc: Texas Baby !!!! Offline	Oh what about a topical, in case there is none from resuce, I can spring for that, even if I have to have revetted,,,i want something i can try on a small area, and check if it works,,,or try next thing,,,what would be best to start with...need oil i may not be able to get here in town anything else ??? Could I get a couple recommendations case first one doesnt work??Please I know there are lots of place to look for info, I would rather try something someone on the board knows may work
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/03/2007 09:38 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Denise Rinker ] #154277 - 09/03/2007 09:38 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I have been reading everything I could find. The books and web sites say this, which is from http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/dem.html : “.... topical medications appropriate as an insecticide.” “These organisms are live parasites so applying such remedies as Vitamin E cream or aloe vera will have no effect on them.” I saw Neem oil and some suggestions about cortisone cream, but I really think that I'd call and ask the vet if he has nothing now, and ask what to use. But others here may have better knowledge.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/03/2007 09:39 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #154278 - 09/03/2007 09:39 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	About diet for a dog with mange, from the same site (above): “It is vitally important .... a high quality, meat-based diet with proper amounts of high quality fat. Any dog .... that is consuming a cheap, grain-based diet will not fare as well as the dog eating a high quality diet. .... The nutritional aspects of skin disorders is an often overlooked ‘treatment’ and should always be considered when a health impacting situation is present.” Everything I have read has stressed the essential fatty acids from high-quality fat, so don't forget that fish oil and Vitamin E.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/04/2007 09:30 AM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #154287 - 09/04/2007 09:30 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Please post when you have this boy and can tell us how he's doing and whether he eats OK. Maybe he can graduate to real RMBs with a little fat soon.
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lisa harrison wrote 09/04/2007 04:25 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Denise Rinker ] #154322 - 09/04/2007 04:25 PM
lisa harrison Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 315 Loc: Southern States Offline	Quote: Denise Rinker Oh what about a topical, in case there is none from resuce, I can spring for that, even if I have to have revetted,,,i want something i can try on a small area, and check if it works,,,or try next thing,,,what would be best to start with...need oil i may not be able to get here in town anything else ??? Could I get a couple recommendations case first one doesnt work??Please I know there are lots of place to look for info, I would rather try something someone on the board knows may work Denise, My 2 yr old Malamute had mange.(Demodex) The vet told me to use Ivermectin (Ivomec). I gave it to him orally once per day mixed with milk or juice.The amount depended on his weight. It is usually used for cattle/swine but has been a proven med for curing mange on dogs. It is not expensive and you can buy it at a Farmers Exchange. I don't know if that is an option for you seeing he is on other meds.The Ivermectin is strong and long term could cause damage, but I took my chance using it and it cleared it up. Just another option for you. Lisa
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Denise Rinker wrote 09/04/2007 04:27 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #154323 - 09/04/2007 04:27 PM
Denise Rinker Webboard User Reg: 02-18-2007 Posts: 174 Loc: Texas Baby !!!! Offline	They did not let me bring him home today, drove an hour to get him and they called vet for refill meds, and they said bring him in thurs...so have to wait for more test results...They are thinking he may, have a intestional disorder of somekind that may take him out..............I am not sure now...cant do anything til after we find out.....I thank everyone for the information and concern, to this point, as soon as they make a decision with more vet info, I will post and let you know..THANK EVERYONE FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP !!!! I did find out his thyroid disorder is NOT either of the two most common kinds, neither hypo or hyper it is some that is men???I am not vet tech so didnt catch all that.. He is on another kind of thyroid med,not synthroid as we thought might be, i think starts with A ???? Has also been checked for diabetes, none..
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/04/2007 04:48 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Denise Rinker ] #154324 - 09/04/2007 04:48 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Megaesophagus and other intestinal disorders are often connected with canine thyroid disorders, I think. (I think they'd have seen sympotoms of megaesophagus .... but there are others.) Is it maybe Armour Thyroid and Thyrolar (the type that provides both T3 AND T4 hormones)? Denise, you did what you could do, and now all you can do is wait to hear. He does have people around him who care, don't forget. That's why people go into rescue work: because they care. He's not alone.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/04/2007 04:52 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: lisa harrison ] #154325 - 09/04/2007 04:52 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: lisa harrison  Quote: denise rinker Oh what about a topical, in case there is none from resuce, I can spring for that, even if I have to have revetted,,,i want something i can try on a small area, and check if it works,,,or try next thing,,,what would be best to start with...need oil i may not be able to get here in town anything else ??? Could I get a couple recommendations case first one doesnt work??Please I know there are lots of place to look for info, I would rather try something someone on the board knows may work Denise, My 2 yr old Malamute had mange.(Demodex) The vet told me to use Ivermectin (Ivomec). I gave it to him orally once per day mixed with milk or juice.The amount depended on his weight. It is usually used for cattle/swine but has been a proven med for curing mange on dogs. It is not expensive and you can buy it at a Farmers Exchange. I don't know if that is an option for you seeing he is on other meds.The Ivermectin is strong and long term could cause damage, but I took my chance using it and it cleared it up. Just another option for you. Lisa, do you recall if there were any topical suggestions? Denise was looking for suggestions on topical help, either along with oral meds and/or "dips," or possibly as palliative help in case he is constitutionally unable to undergo actual treatment. I looked at the material I had, but didn't find much consensus about topical help, except for localized Demodex. (This is generalized.)
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lisa harrison wrote 09/04/2007 05:00 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #154330 - 09/04/2007 05:00 PM
lisa harrison Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 315 Loc: Southern States Offline	I did do several dips as well, however I do not recall what I used. This was 4 years ago. I would call the Vet who suggested the Ivomec but he is now retired. Nothing was recommended to me other than the dip. Sorry. Lisa
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lisa harrison wrote 09/04/2007 05:13 PM Re: rescue with mange [Re: lisa harrison ] #154333 - 09/04/2007 05:13 PM
lisa harrison Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 315 Loc: Southern States Offline	I just remembered it was Amitraz dip. I bathed with benzoyl peroxide shampoo. I think Oxydex was the name. No other topical treatments. I checked one of my books "Natural Remedies for Dogs" by Martin Zucker pg 163. He suggested a combination of Neem Oil,Ashwaganda & Triphala. If you want more details let me know and I can tell you how it says to administer.Neem oil, which someone else mentioned is topical, the other two are given orally. Lisa
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