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Doug
I was not refering to your posts. it is some of the other posts i am talking about, lets say you train the Dog with an E Collar until he does what is expected of him, So that is good,
so once this stage is reached and the Dog looks to the Handler and Acts the way it is expected of the Dog, then as far as i can see that Dog should no longer require an E collar for Obedinace and or control, and the said Collar should be able to be put away and an ordinary Collar such as a Leather Collar used
Steve, I imagine it should work the same as prong. I'm on the correction phase with my dog and he'll sit 99.99% of the time first time I ask, anywhere with any distractions. But I want to be ready in case he decides "I don't wanna". I would keep the e-collar on for situations such as those.
And as far as the forced retrieve is concerned I'm with Doug. I'll never do it. Ever. A retrieve is not important enough for me to cause my dog pain. If my dog can't do it after a solid month of all positive then I need another dog.
Although, this need to be moved to a new thread (MODS), my answer is that as the dog becomes faster and more responsive to the stim, the stim is used less and less until the dog no longer needs it at all.
Also during the training, other forms of correction are used so that the dog associates the correction with the handler and not the collar.
I feel that the goal is not to correct the dog, but that the dog beats the correction and it is never used. I always have the E-collar on my dog, but he responds so well to commands that I rarely use it.
And I often have the prong on him so that I can choose to correct with the prong or e-collar (not at the same time.) But I am at the point now that I rarely use either and when he is naked in the house, and he still responds just as well; the collars are for the “just in case.”
The first time I started using an e-collar it was because I couldnt trust my dog off lead. It was nearly an instant fix. Of course being the kind of guy I am I tried it on myself first, and also a prong collar. Let me tell you I would take the
e-collar stim over the prong collar any day!
I have gotten the area trainer for Pet smart into schutzhund gave them a whole new perspective. plus brings new ideas to the table.But the company training policy is based on AKC Obediance
I do AKC obedience and Jerri wears a prong collar. So does my trainers high-in-trial and OTCH Goldens. Lots of AKC people train with them. Biggest problem with Petco anyway and probably Petsmart too is they are scared to do anything that may draw the wrath of Peta on them. The local Petco won't even flush a damn dead fish. They freeze them then a local vet disposes of them properly. Wouldn't it be just too funny if the vet picks em up then takes them to his clinic and fluuuushhh.
Lisa
Never heard about that fish thing before. Verrrry interesting... Depends on the clinic what they do with dead animals. The owner may take them, here we have coffins (pretty much just a cardboard box), there is a local guy who will do individual cremations, and everything else goes in all together.
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