Well I guess what it all boils down to is that we all hope that there are responsible owners/trainers out there using the ecollars in a constructive, positive way. It's like spanking a child for a serious offense...you hope that you make enough of an impression to help the brain avoid that behavior ever again. If done lovingly and positively it can be a great teaching tool.

It would disturb me deeply to think that anyone involved in Schutzhund or any other of the dog sports were using multiple ecollars in an abusive way in order to attain higher point ratios from the judges. Animals are innocents and are at the mercy of those that care for them. We all know that there are many out there that are under the care of stupid, cruel people.

I would hope that if any one of the members here knew of someone that was deliberately using these tools in an unjust manor that they would step up to the plate and say something. No doubt, whatever was said probably wouldn't change things but sometimes just knowing that you are looked at unfavorably by your peers can be a great deterrent in continuing with negative behavior. To be greedy for money or points or the favor of your peers at the expense of an animal is not only immoral but it is inhumanity at its worst. Those kind of people should be helped to be held accountable for their actions. To not say anything and to allow it to happen while under your nose is cowaradice in the extreme. However, thats just MHO.

I have learned a great deal from this thread. Very interesting the different opinions and the different methods that are used with the ecollar in dog training. My mind has opened up somewhat to this particular method although it would still be interesting to see this kind of dog in action and the method being put into play.

Did I ask if anyone had anything like this on video??

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.... we all hope that there are responsible owners/trainers out there using the ecollars* in a constructive, positive way. ... It would disturb me deeply to think that anyone involved in Schutzhund** or any other of the dog sports were using multiple ecollars* in an abusive way in order to attain higher point ratios from the judges. .... I would hope that if any one of the members here knew of someone that was deliberately using these tools in an unjust manor that they would step up to the plate and say something.

* and all training tools

** e-collars not allowed

(asterisks mine)

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.... we all hope that there are responsible owners/trainers out there using the ecollars* in a constructive, positive way. ... It would disturb me deeply to think that anyone involved in Schutzhund** or any other of the dog sports were using multiple ecollars* in an abusive way in order to attain higher point ratios from the judges. .... I would hope that if any one of the members here knew of someone that was deliberately using these tools in an unjust manor that they would step up to the plate and say something.

* and all training tools

** e-collars not allowed

(asterisks mine)

Hmm..guess I should rephrase that then...I meant "in training". I know the dogs don't wear anything but a prong or similar type collar to actually place. My bad

Also just to make a note since this was started by me posting a link to a pic of Kadi's dog Mac working.. her dogs are ringsport dogs. I am just starting to get into ringsport and want to try Mondioring with my next dogs. They do not allow a collar at all in trial. Not even a flat collar.

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I know the dogs don't wear anything but a prong or similar type collar to actually place. My bad

I don't know of any sport that allows the dogs to trial in a prong collar. A few allow the dog to wear a fur saver, choke chain or flat collar, but it can't be used for correction at any time during the trial. In the Ring Sports, as mentioned, the dog wears no equipment at all except during the heel on leash exercise, and then the leash must be on a 'dead ring'

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I know the dogs don't wear anything but a prong or similar type collar to actually place. My bad

I don't know of any sport that allows the dogs to trial in a prong collar. A few allow the dog to wear a fur saver, choke chain or flat collar, but it can't be used for correction at any time during the trial. In the Ring Sports, as mentioned, the dog wears no equipment at all except during the heel on leash exercise, and then the leash must be on a 'dead ring'

You are right Kadi, I couldn't think of the name of the collar that I'd seen them use...it was a fur saving, kind of resembles a prong in collar but is flat with big metal hoops, right? I stand corrected again.