I dont post on the USA forum - but I do know there are people over there that try and give excuses for this behavior.

These people belong on the dumb and dumber part of this web site.

My Hanrahan deserves to be suspended from competition for a considerable period of time for doing what he did.

Does anyone know the names of the people on the Board on Inquiry on this matter? If so please post those names or email them to me.

Here is the list of the board of inquiry for Sch USA. Maybe people whould ask them waht it was that they saw in these videos that allowed them to determine that no frm of punishment was warranted????

If there were 15 written statements - whose statements did they not believe and why?


Board of Inquiry

It shall be the duty of this board to hear cases of alleged misconduct and alleged violations of USA regulations.

Michele Scarberry, Chair 330-336-6560 mscarberry@earthlink.net

Nia Cottrell mscarberry@earthlink.net

Heather Gray krazy_kilum@yahoo.com

Jeff Lawless jdlaw@netdirect.net

Jeff Pomeroy jdlaw@netdirect.net

Alternates:

Jim Ackerman racke45000@aol.com

Thomas Shaftoe tshaftoe@toast.net

I've been waiting for USA to publish the results on their website. Last time I checked nothing had been posted.

Funny, none of his defenders are saying he did not do it, they just say there is more to the story, court dates are pending with the property owner.

For myself I can think of nothing that would justify disrupting a trial. And that is the only issue USA should be involved with.

It will be interesting to see what the official stance of the organization is.

What I'm wondering is - why didn't the judge intervene?
The rules are pretty well spelled out, the judges decisions are final, and if a judge was there and said anything at all, it would be considered final.

So I am also scratching my head about this....

For Board of Inquiry cases, the USA Executive Board -- officers, regional directors, directors at large, and a few others, must vote on the BOI's findings before the results are released to be published. Until then, the BOI findings are not made public.

Executive ballots have a two week voting period after they are released for a vote. So, if the BOI ballot was sent out today, it would be at least two weeks before the results are known and published.

I agree with what has already been stated here - did he or did he not drive his vehicle over top of tracks already laid, for a trial, with competitors and judge present???? If he did, then he should be punished by USCA for interfering with a trial, poor sportsmanship, cheating, or whatever other charges he can get.
Apparently the USA list and EB are "waiting" until whatever court case is completed - apparently Gary and the land owner are taking the trial club to court about the land use. So that must mean Gary was right and the club was not right in stating they did not have permission to use the land???? That may be - but still does not justify his driving over the trial tracks. THAT is really the issue with USCA, not who had permission to use the field - I hope they don't just slap his hand and then pick up the broom to sweep the whole thing under the carpet, which is what usually happens. But I'm not holding my breath.

molly

I agree with you 100 percent Molly. The issue with permission on using the field has nothing to do with USA.

Think the handwriting is on the wall with what the organizations reponse is going to be.

What a shame.

This whole thing has turned into another saga.....if in fact the club did not have permission to use the tracking fields, then from a USA stand point they were wrong to be there as I am pretty sure you are suppose to have written permission to use a field for tracking from the land owner or from whoever has legal use of the land. I know I have read this somewhere, which it stands to reason in case you are hosting a trial and the land owner shows up and sends you packing, what then? I am sure alot of us know the feeling when we are training and this happens. I know this did not happen, as Gary did donuts around the property but........

There is not much good to be said for someone who drives around and destroys a trial, however if Gary was the one with legal permission to be there, the club was not and the land owner is with Gary, then that complicates things as the club was in violation of USA procedure just being on the property. I think it is just plain wrong what he did regardless of who was where, and it had to have really made for a bad trial day, but however I think that if there was no legal reason to be there then USA will not take action against him. How could they? He could have had a go-cart race there over the tracks, if they were not allowed to be there then what can you do? This could go around in circles all day. Heck if there was a legal reason, chances are he would have been told, you really should not do that, and that would be the end of it. I do not think the judge did anything as there are alot of unanswered questions about who was allowed to be where. The truth be told what could have he really done at the time. This man is not from this country, does not understand the laws, so really what could have he done? It is surprising that this did not escalate at the time into some form of violence.

This is nothing new, alot of this has been covered with threads like the Seiger Show and things of the like. If you take the membership of DVG, WDA, USA you are lucky if you have 2000 people that are really into Schutzhund and not the show stuff. In an organization with what, 4000 members, and only maybe 1000 are hard-core schutzhund folks and Gary is a pilar of them, it will be hard to force a change with the current leadership. Look at the SV, Dr. Raiser took his toys and went to play in another sandbox as he could not force a change with the SV....USA is a clone of the SV, what do you think the next step has to be? Look at the Masters in June in NJ. No organization is hosting it, but yet you have some of the best Schutzhund folks in the world coming to compete. I think the stage has been set.

what could have/should have been done is Gary could have called the police, the landowner and allowed them to throw the clubmembers off the land, legally. It was not Gary's land. He was not the owner, and did not have any right to ask the people to leave. His driving over their tracks was poor sportsmanship, interfering with a trial - and that is what USA should look at, not who owned the land or had permission to be there, that is for the landowner and the court to decide (and not Gary)

molly

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what could have/should have been done is Gary could have called the police, the landowner and allowed them to throw the clubmembers off the land, legally. It was not Gary's land. He was not the owner, and did not have any right to ask the people to leave. His driving over their tracks was poor sportsmanship, interfering with a trial - and that is what USA should look at, not who owned the land or had permission to be there, that is for the landowner and the court to decide (and not Gary)

molly

I agree that the whole thing was handled poorly, and it goes to his character, however what should have been done, what was done and what will happen is what it is. I for one do not think anything will come of it ever, for the past mentioned reasons.

It is a real shame that folks came from all over the place and had to be subjected to this, and they were the people that suffered, however I think I will be less surprised if I woke up with my head stapled to my carpet, then if something more comes of this from USA.