Schutzhund is a joke?? I can't believe I've wasted the last year training for it, watching trials, enjoying the German Shepherds I see and nobody pointed it out until now!

 Quote: steve strom

Schutzhund is a joke?? I can't believe I've wasted the last year training for it, watching trials, enjoying the German Shepherds I see and nobody pointed it out until now!

lol maybe a joke in the other person's eyes. The people I train with and who train for it are no joke and their dogs are as serious as anyone else's.

 Quote: steve strom

Schutzhund is a joke?? I can't believe I've wasted the last year training for it, watching trials, enjoying the German Shepherds I see and nobody pointed it out until now!

Dont act like I'm the first person to say that. Schutzhund is fun, dont get me wrong but it is definately does not serve the same purpose it used to. I am not putting down anyone who has Sch titles because there are REAl dogs still in the sport. How many Schutzhund dogs will protect in real life, how many of those breed surveyed would protect in real life? All I'm trying to say is Sch doesnt automatically mean the "real deal".

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 Quote: steve strom

Schutzhund is a joke?? I can't believe I've wasted the last year training for it, watching trials, enjoying the German Shepherds I see and nobody pointed it out until now!

lol maybe a joke in the other person's eyes. The people I train with and who train for it are no joke and their dogs are as serious as anyone else's.

I train with serious people as well, and ALL of their dogs are amazing. Yet, my previous "club" trained it as a game, no stress no pressure they wouldnt even make eye contact with the dog. Yet they still obtained their Schutzhund titles. Dogs were very high in pry drive but had no courage and would piss in fear if you even yelled. Does that make them breed worthy? Should that be written in the breed standard? "Dog must have intense prey drive, sufficient pocession but many cower in fear with a direct threat" Now that my kind of dog .

You all can honestly say that EVERY dog with a Sch title is breed worthy?

Aleida:
"(and I mean REAL titles not CGC's or AKC stuff)"



Real titles?
Hmmm.....Aleida - have you gotten an AKC UD title by chance?
Or have you knocked out the Variable Surface tracking title yet?
I'm wondering how easy one of those were to get, I know that mine required a bit of training to get those three legs for my first UD title many years ago.

I'm interested if you did better than the average AKC handler that requires *16* attempts to get their first AKC UD title.

 Quote: Aleida Cebreco

You all can honestly say that EVERY dog with a Sch title is breed worthy?

Where did anyone say that???

I said that I believe in the SV Standard of breeding and that all dogs bred have a breed survey - MINIMUM! Doesn't mean they should be bred - it means they have achieved the MINIMUM required to be considered for breeding. But no, we should do things the way they do them here...find any excuse not to do anything, tell everyone you have 'real' dogs and you don't need those titles, H/E certs, conformation ratings etc...

I am not putting down anyone's dogs who do not have a breed survey, I am putting down breeding programs that don't follow the SV. I could tell you my dogs have what it takes - I could be lying... I don't plan to fork out money on someone's word - puppies are a big enough crap shoot as it is!

Stating SchH is a joke is just another excuse for not doing it... !

There is no way in hell that I would want to breed EVERY dog with a SCH title, or with a FR3 or MR3, or every PPD, or ever SAR dog, etc… I don’t think anyone would say that. Just that the traditional way to choose breeding stock is to KKL a dog.

 Quote: Aleida Cebreco

I personally, rather see the dog work in person and make my decision based on that...

This is the best way to choose the parents of YOUR dog, as you obviously know what you want. Those that have the knowledge to do this know how they feel about the SV standards. For those who don’t, understanding the SV standards is a good starting point . People who train in other disciplines will know the dogs that work best in their sport, and will breed for that.

It seems that for so many people it is an all or nothing kind of a thing...

To the OP, do your research (looks like you are!! :grin and find a breeder you trust, whose dogs you like, and that you can build an ongoing line of communication with. I prefer a working line dog that is bred with more than just looks in mind (but I do want a Rott that looks like a Rott… ) and that understands what YOU are looking for in a dog. A good, honest breeder will be able to tell you if there are no pups in the litter that will fit your needs, or that he has a great dog for YOU (and not somewhat with national/world titles in mind&hellip

Good luck!!!

I DO schutzhund.

Will apparently you know everything, I bow down to you. lol I dont do AKC so how would I know... still avoiding my question Will? Do you have a real answer? Would you take someone's word for it of rather see a dog work in person? Would you assume because dog has a schutzhund title its going to produce some hardcore working dogs? A UD title is enough to breed Will?? Then I'm assuming ANY title is good enough to breed. Agility, flyball, Herding instinct cert, ect. Please enlighten me with your wisdom....

I have my opinions and I will stick to them and dont give me that "inexperienced handler" crap. Whenever one of your "crew" members have a different approach or opinion NO ONE questions them. I will stick to my belief.

I believe you are missing the point. There is no need to insult all other training and titles because from your vast experience and knowledge you find them un-worthy. No one is saying that any single thing makes any dog the best choice for breeding.