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Nora Ferrell wrote 03/28/2009 12:41 AM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Michael_Wise ] #233706 - 03/28/2009 12:41 AM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/StoreFront Nicole is in northern Kentucky. Have you looked into them for tripe? If you can't find some locally, she does everything she can to get shipping rates as cheap as she can. You may be close enough to get it real cheap. Sometimes, she has free shipping deals for bulk. I will look this up. I'm rarely that far north (country girl). I may be able to get some frozen or canned. In the mean time, some one told me that there is a new exotic pet store somewhere here in town that stocks some exotic things, so that is on my list of things to do this week. Thanks
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Nora Ferrell wrote 03/28/2009 12:46 AM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #233707 - 03/28/2009 12:46 AM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Michael, I just checked her web site. She is out of tripe right now and I think there is a 20 pound minimum order (that's not bulk). Probably a bit too much for me, considering my dog only eats about 4 ounces total per day. But, I'm still looking for the canned tripe, probably better for a small do due to size.
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Simon Raban wrote 04/02/2009 03:26 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Yuko Blum ] #234544 - 04/02/2009 03:26 PM
Simon Raban Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 19 Loc: Pennsylvania, USA Offline	I was told by one experienced Giant Schnauzer breeder (Sylvia Hammarstrom or Skansen Kennels), who only feeds raw diet to her dogs, that veggies must comprise about 1/5 of the meat by weight. I followed that advice for almost four years now with my dog and had no issues -- my Giant is very healthy. Sylvia recommends to give supplements. I gave him supplements the first year but then stopped. The veggies that I use in his feed are organic and/or locally grown. So, I figured he gets sufficient vitamins and essential nutrients from these veggies. I feed him all veggies including greens, carrots, and various roots. I avoid onions and garlic. I also add fruites -- mainly apples, occasional watermelon, and others, but I avoid raisins and grapes (as many of you know, they can be dangerous for dogs). Simon
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Simon Raban wrote 04/02/2009 03:28 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Simon Raban ] #234545 - 04/02/2009 03:28 PM
Simon Raban Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 19 Loc: Pennsylvania, USA Offline	Question regarding feeding pork. Most advice against feeding raw pork to dogs. Please let me know if you have fed raw pork meat to your dog with no problems. Thanks! Simon
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Nora Ferrell wrote 04/02/2009 03:39 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Simon Raban ] #234547 - 04/02/2009 03:39 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	I feed pork and have never had a problem. She has been raw fed for a year and she gets fish oil/vitamin E supplements. Have you researched the fish oil/vit E? It is my understanding that due to the way our beef and pork are produced now (usually grain fed vs grass/pasture fed) that this produces meat that has fewer long chain, omega 3 acids. This is usually true whether organic or not. It is also true with humans as well. Thus, giving fish oil helps to replace these lost omega 3's and vitamin E is necessary to process the fish oil. I am, by no means, an expert or even that well read in any of this, but we do have a moderator that has great expertise in this field and, hopefully, will see this post and comment. Connie, where ya at? (Behind the at? lol)
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Tracy Collins wrote 04/02/2009 03:43 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Simon Raban ] #234549 - 04/02/2009 03:43 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	My four eat lots of raw pork and have never had any problems. The (supposed) worry is from a parasitic infection called Trichinosis. But in the U.S. the commercial pork supply is entirely free of it. The very few cases of it in this country (it's extremely rare) are generally from eating undercooked game, often bear meat. I would not feed my dogs raw bear meat. (But I'd feed them cooked bear meat, if I had any.) I might be more concerned about trichinosis if I lived in a part of the world where pigs eat garbage. But pork bought in a grocery store in the U.S. is safe--my opinion and experience. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/02/2009 04:07 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #234554 - 04/02/2009 04:07 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Nora Ferrell It is my understanding that due to the way our beef and pork are produced now (usually grain fed vs grass/pasture fed) that this produces meat that has fewer long chain, omega 3 acids. This is usually true whether organic or not. It is also true with humans as well. Thus, giving fish oil helps to replace these lost omega 3's and vitamin E is necessary to process the fish oil. .... Connie, where ya at? (Behind the at? lol) All 100% right, except it's poultry too. I didn't catch the trigger -- was someone saying they preferred not to give fish oil? It would be the rare modern North American diet indeed, human or canine, that contained long-chain Omega 3s in any significant amount. A hunter, or someone who raised their own slaughter animals on pasture ..... or, for people, a person whose protein came from oily fish..... Dogs do not have the mechanism that humans have (and it's not very efficient in humans, either) to convert plant sources (ALA) from, say, flax or canola, to the DHA and EPA that we are providing to them in marine sources.
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Nora Ferrell wrote 04/02/2009 04:18 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Simon Raban ] #234555 - 04/02/2009 04:18 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	Quote: Simon Raban I was told by one experienced Giant Schnauzer breeder (Sylvia Hammarstrom or Skansen Kennels), who only feeds raw diet to her dogs, that veggies must comprise about 1/5 of the meat by weight. I followed that advice for almost four years now with my dog and had no issues -- my Giant is very healthy. Sylvia recommends to give supplements. I gave him supplements the first year but then stopped. The veggies that I use in his feed are organic and/or locally grown. So, I figured he gets sufficient vitamins and essential nutrients from these veggies. I feed him all veggies including greens, carrots, and various roots. I avoid onions and garlic. I also add fruites -- mainly apples, occasional watermelon, and others, but I avoid raisins and grapes (as many of you know, they can be dangerous for dogs). Connie, This is the post to which I was responding. I think he means that he gave supplements (fish oi/vit e?) for a year and then stopped. I didn't want him to be confused that organic would be synonymous with omegas. I hope I'm not confused either. By the way, I increased my 10 lb dog fish oil pill to 1 whole pill and 200 vit e. Thanks,
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/02/2009 04:24 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #234559 - 04/02/2009 04:24 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Connie, This is the post to which I was responding. I think he means that he gave supplements (fish oi/vit e?) for a year and then stopped. ... I didn't want him to be confused that organic would be synonymous with omegas. Oh, I see. You are right; Omega 3s from fish oil are unrelated to the vits/mins in organically raised produce. By the way, I increased my 10 lb dog fish oil pill to 1 whole pill and 200 vit e. A 1,000-mg. fish oil cap? Good! Can you get 100 IU Vitamin Es for the teeny dog?
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Nora Ferrell wrote 04/02/2009 04:49 PM Re: To veg or not to veg in raw? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #234564 - 04/02/2009 04:49 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	The smallest I've found are the 400 for vit e, but I am shopping this week for better fish oil pills and will look for the lower dosage. I HATE having to rupture the little pills. Also, can dogs eat walnuts? I am trying to add more to my diet and wondered about it before I give to dog. Thanks.
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