Not trying to make enemies and I SURE don't know enough to be in most of y'all's league, BUT>>>>>

Mr. Jones has no control over his dogs either, based on what some of you said in reply to the OP's post. By his own admission (below) his dog has managed to attack other small dogs. It's just by luck one wasn't killed already. Right?

IOW, no one needs to have a dog they're not PHYSICALLY able to control (either by voice or brute force) ALL the time -- leashed or unleashed...... if it 'might' attack to kill?

I'm not sure any of this came out right, so if I offended anyone I apologize in advance.

 Quote: Dennis Jones

My dog has been bit by unleashed dogs and has bitten unleashed dogs. little dogs are the worst. one was a small poodle she nipped on the butt yanking fur out, the other was a Dachshund she grabbed by the collar and slung into the lake, the poor Dachshund spun thru the air like a drum major's baton.

in my case both times the bit dogs gave me no reaction time to get between them and mine. the owners were breaking the park rules and set my training back. my dog was acting in self defense and didn't kill the little curs but gave them a warning they weren't going to win. A quick foos command and she stood down, both owners apologized and I refered them to this site, anybody that has seen my vids that I posted know I have my dogs under control

 Quote: Dennis Jones

... A quick foos command and she stood down

And therein lies the world of difference between a handler completely ignored (except to be dragged along) and a handler with control.

 Quote: Dennis Jones

... anybody that has seen my vids that I posted know I have my dogs under control ,,,

Yes, they/we do know it.

My dogs are fine unless they get charged. Then it's ON! I have to control them, but pulling them back and trying to keep an unleashed dog can only make them more tense and feel the need to "defend". When we pass under control dogs, I have no problems on a walk.

It can be hard to control your own dogs when the other dog is loose, but I am working on getting them to ignore with a trainer I use. He had to do the corrections the first few times because my corrections were not "working". Once I saw it work, I realized my dogs could learn to ignore. Then again, his distraction dog he used was under control and on a leash........

 Quote: Lisa Simms

... It can be hard to control your own dogs when the other dog is loose ...

Yes, it can. There's a lot of work involved in establishing yourself as the boss. Not only the boss, but also the protector.

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 Quote: Lisa Simms

... It can be hard to control your own dogs when the other dog is loose ...

Yes, it can. There's a lot of work involved in establishing yourself as the boss. Not only the boss, but also the protector.

I think if someone chose to make a video about dog attacks and dealing with other people's dogs on walks that would be an excellent idea. Apparently there is a market need.

Just last night I experienced this very problem. A young child with his dad was walking their doberman at the park. I was walking my Bindi, terrior mix, and friendly....so far. Anyway the boy and his dad took the leash off their dog and of course she was curious about my dog. Their dog ran from the other side of the field and came directly to us. My friend walking with me is afraid of big dogs. I am not but wouldn't try and pet someone elses dog. I put myself in between the loose dog and bindi and kept saying, No, out to the other dog in a very loud voice. They finally ran over and got her, saying, don't worry she is nice. My friend and I told them, your dog must be on a leash, their response...."we know".
so we said, then put it on her!.
I just don't get it. One instance can undo all the work I am trying to do. I can't even walk my terrior Cody when I think other people around with their dogs, just in case. He is a dominate dog, and behaves right now, but if attacked, he could get killed, he is only 22 lbs. but he also could get dog aggressive, I just don't want that.
What to do with these people. Another man at the park had a rotty and a pit pull they were very well behaved while on the track on the leash. BUt he asked us if he could unleash them. we said no. There are little dogs on leashes running the track, I could see disaster coming.
Wish we could get the word out to these people!!!
Having your dog killed or having your dog kill another dog is very sad, but what can we do when people violate your space??

Two things that I think people are missing here, one is starting to get through, though.
1) A few posts above you have realized that you need to learn how to be the alpha. That is good. You also need to go to a trainer to learn how to control your dogs. Sending your dogs to a trainer doesn't do much good if you haven't learned what they are being taught.
2) The biggest mistake most people make that own dogs. You have no idea, nor from the posts I have read does anyone else, what type of dog you are dealing with. You have told us it is a Pit Bull Terrier correct? Way too many people forget that Pitties, Am Staff's, etc are terriers. Terrier means "earth dog". Think of it this way. You own a 60lb Jack Russell Terrier! They hunt and root out vermin like skunks, possums, rats, mice. I hope you see where this is going. Your dog has proven that its genetic instincts to chase, catch and kill small animals is very much intact.
Lack of this knowledge, and/or understanding it, is what got your neighbors dog killed. You should not have ever walked past that house a second time with an uncontrolled little rat of a dog living there. Yes, the neighbors are at fault, but, so too are you. This is a prime example of why Pitties and other breeds are on lists considered to be dangerous and why it is tough to get homeowners insurance when you own one of the "annointed" breeds. You are probably a very nice person, not one of the hoodlums that we all blame for the problems this breed suffers from. Unfortunately when good people don't take the time to understand what they own, the breed, and many other breeds, are doomed. Understand that your incident is now one in a long list of the statistics that insurance companies and stupid politicians will use against this breed.

I am sorry if this seems harsh, but, again I have had to rescue, rehab, train and adopt out way too many dogs with similar stories as your own. Those are the lucky dogs. The other dogs, those that I went to bat for, but, couldn't convince an animal control officer, shelter manager, or judge that they were good dogs with bad, or, less than knowledgeable owners, are dead!

 Quote: stevezorn

.... Your dog has proven that its genetic instincts to chase, catch and kill small animals is very much intact. .... This is a prime example of why Pitties and other breeds are on lists considered to be dangerous and why it is tough to get homeowners insurance when you own one of the "annointed" breeds. ... Understand that your incident is now one in a long list of the statistics that insurance companies and stupid politicians will use against this breed. ..

Very good points, Steve. I think the dog's prey drive has been discussed in the thread, but you put a much finer point on it, as well as on the responsibility of us, the owners.

 Quote: stevezorn

I have had to rescue, rehab, train and adopt out way too many dogs with similar stories as your own. Those are the lucky dogs. The other dogs, those that I went to bat for, but, couldn't convince an animal control officer, shelter manager, or judge that they were good dogs with bad, or, less than knowledgeable owners, are dead!