Quote: James Biggs

so i found a EXCELLENT deal on meat the other day. 100 lbs of meet for 139 bucks. here is the contents

15# hamburger
15# beef stew meat
10# assorted pork chops
20# chicken necks
40# Chicken leg quarters


they said they would substitute some of the items if i want. so i was thinking about subbing 10 lbs of organ meat, and only get 5lbs of beef stew meat.

number 1 ...perhaps you should of continued a couple of lines down... i ate the stew meat actually. lmao
and number 2 the only reason i bought it at all was because it came with the deal..

number 3..70 pounds of that meat was bone-in

Okay, so you've got:

Hamburger: 0% Bone
Pork chops: 18% Bone
Chicken necks: 75% Bone
Chicken leg 1/4s: 27% Bone
Venison roasts: >10% Bone
Pork neck bones: 50% Bone

What does a typical meal look like?
At the end of the day, you've barely got enough chicken necks just to correct the chicken quarters, and you're adding other unbalanced meats to the mix.
Yes, a lot of it *was* bone in.
The problem is, a lot of it was also meat heavy, and needs MORE bone added to it. Chicken leg quarters and pork chops need more bone added to it to correct the fact that they are meat-heavy.
Obviously, so does hamburger. Ditto the venison roasts.

When feeding muscle meat, there is an easy way to balance out the ratios if there is a lack of bone. Dry out egg shells in the oven, then pulverize them in a food processor or coffee grinder to make a powder.

Or, use bone meal.

I think the ratio is 1/2 teaspoon to 1 lb of meat.

Tracy

 Quote: TracyRoche

When feeding muscle meat, there is an easy way to balance out the ratios if there is a lack of bone. Dry out egg shells in the oven, then pulverize them in a food processor or coffee grinder to make a powder.


I think the ratio is 1/2 teaspoon to 1 lb of meat.

Tracy

Yes, 1/2 teaspoon of crushed eggshell would supplement about 1 pound of boneless meat.

No balanced RMB-based diet, of course, should be supplemented with additional calcium.

 Quote: michael arghnian

On the back of the bag it says about 4&1/2 cups for a 100 + pound dog ,if I feed him two times a day do I split that amount up or give him that amount each meal. I was feeding raw but he got real sick and his transition back to raw just resulte
d in him throwing up every time he ate

Michael, did you get your question answered?

The bag gives you a daily amount. Split that up into however many meals you like.

 Quote: Aaron Myracle

Chicken leg quarters and pork chops need more bone added to it to correct the fact that they are meat-heavy.

For some dogs, maybe. If I added bone to any of those items for Turbo's meals, he would cease pooping. Two days in a row of chicken quarters makes pooping a chore for him. One meal of pork chops results in yellow clumps of powder for poop. Adding bone could very well result in a trip to the vet.

I think you are both wrong.:smile:

Na nana boo boo.

Base the diet off RMB's and move on. If your dog's poop is too hard, you are feeding it too much bone. If it is too soft, back off the meat or organs. Adjust meat to bone to organs accordingly to make the turd of your dreams.

 Quote: james biggs

you were feeding him cooked chicken and rice? there was no bones in it i hope and the rice is no good or necessary.

The dog was on this binding diet for chronic diarrhea from a GI problem that there have been a couple of detailed threads about. Overcooked rice and its from cooking water have a binding quality against soft stools.

" i would put him on a straight raw diet for a couple days. start out with 90/10 hamburger and chicken breast with no skin. a little at the time. "

This is bad advice: a 100% muscle-meat diet for a dog with diarrhea history. Calcium is not only necessary, but also binding, as is evidenced for all of us all the time when we see the difference between a dog's muscle-meat poops and bone-balanced poop.

It's bad advice, period. It's completely unbalanced (CA:ph) to feed all muscle meat (or even, if the chicken breast was bone-in, 90% muscle meat!).

The binding rice/chicken diet is unbalanced as well, but it's a temporary diet for a reason. There would never be a reason I can think of to feed an all-mm diet.

About another post I saw here: Cottage cheese is a very weak source of probiotics and it's extremely loaded with salt (unless you buy the no-salt-added). It does contain a small number of probiotic organisms, but yogurt, which is processed very differently, contains far more (as long as it's not heat-treated; check the label for "live" or "active" cultures).

I'm going to ask that when new folks or infrequent posters give diet advice to someone with a puppy or a sick dog or a young dog switching to raw from kibble that they preface it (if it's so) with "This is just what I have done; I have no nutrition education or expansive experience" or similar.

Many raw-feeding comments you made were questionable, IMO, but an all-muscle-meat diet can't stand uncorrected.

I know you'll understand the reasoning behind the correction when you think how many folks read this board and have no idea who the experts are. One post may carry as much weight as another to a casual reader.

Thank you for understanding.

And thank you; back to the O.P.'s thread:

 Quote: Michael_Wise

 Quote: michael arghnian

On the back of the bag it says about 4&1/2 cups for a 100 + pound dog ,if I feed him two times a day do I split that amount up or give him that amount each meal. I was feeding raw but he got real sick and his transition back to raw just resulte
d in him throwing up every time he ate

Michael, did you get your question answered?

The bag gives you a daily amount. Split that up into however many meals you like.

connie i did say that, if you read one of my post...im just telling you what has worked for me. i have ALWAYS started dogs new to raw off on that combo and then worked in more bone as time goes on, Ive had 0 problems with and dogs getting sick, or making it hard to go to the bath room. like i sai,d just tellin you what works for me.

yes thanks i did get my question answerd and i found a local store that seels orijen so ill give that a try.