Hey you better not mention the sharp-prong, that is mine!!!!!

And boy don't we know it!! LOL I don't think anyone's gonna try to take that away from you Michael. :rolleyes:

Chuck F. Wrote "If I couldn't establish top dog position with a muzzle and a can of whoop ass,(before a new member who dosen't know me has a heart attack, I would NEVER practice or advocate physical violence against a dog! ) I wouldn't bother."

SS: Chuck that is the 2nd to best advise I have heard in the thread. This is in essence what I was trying to say. I would though give the dog a chance before euthunizing him. Keep in mind this is a puppy only 8 months old. I have a feeling the owners have not been firm enough with this dog and with 5 other dogs running around in this house dont have time enough to be firm and let the dog do what it wants way to much. You have to be the boss with a Pit.

Todd E. Gaster wrote "This is a dog that must be removed from the situation. It does not need euthanized. Out of a pack. Into a crate. Decisions are gone for a while. The big bad world wont hurt you.

The dog needs off the bed, more time in a crate. When it is out of the crate it should drag its leash around that way you dont have to chase it. The owner should mix the food up with their hands to let the dog know they had it first."

SS:Great advise Todd best I have heard. I also dont think this dog need euthinizing. What it probabaly needs is a new owner. Someone who will be firm with her. I have had a few Pits who were aggressive toward people and I really dont have a problem with that. The problem I have is her being aggressive to the hand that feeds her. That is a cardinal sin in my book that needs to be corrected. Like I said earlier the Dog needs to be in a kennel or crate by herself or get rid of the other dogs in the house. It will end up in disaster if the owner doesnt do it now. Marco already said the dad is fighting lines and this guy insist on housing it with other dogs. Then when this dog fights with the other dogs he will wonder why he did it. The owner is setting up the dog to fail IMHO.

Yes, I have been working over her with a body language, and my idea was avoidence the fight before she start to do some agression to somebody I start to work on obidience excercise, giving a cheese, realy I won, but many of yours have a reason, the enviroment of the pit, it´s to dangerous, look at this, 6 dogs, two pitbulls, male and female, one male boxer, two females of some of doberman and whatelse, one female without breed. When thew owner takes a belt or something like that and start to scream all the dogs disappears.
Those female needs to work in obedience, but that is not all she need to understand the owner is alpha leader when them are walking on the street, because, I guess, is tipycal of the pit´s, when she try to fight with some dog on the street, she lost herself, and in those week she bited in two times to the owner, when he tried to appart to the other dogs, I guess, was on the veterinary.
Those week I will do this on a park, I´m going to behind in some place of the bitch, and the owner with the bitch, by other way, when the bitch look for me the owner loose his dog, we will teast the bitch, if she will bit or not, I almost sure she wont, I will be with a body suite, and the next step is use a muzzle and me without bodysuite, but all of those things, need to be when bitch look to me, but she doesn´t knows who I´m. cause she know´s me, the idea is, show a dog, she can´t do nothing if she try to attack to people, well I will tell yours if I´m still a life in next week.
Thank´s

Marco Sandoval, "Good Luck"
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Hello everybody, I ´m here and alive, and we won again.
The last week I have had been work like this:
Take the bitch at the end of the leash, the bitch with a choke collar, and start to walk, just only walk, and when she try to run or go at front I turn around and still walking, like I ´m not with a dog. and change very quickly the way, doing angles, the excercise, end when the dog start to walk beside to you, and looking for your eyes,
The next step, is take the leash more short, and when I will take a quickly round pull the leash, all of these excercise, I satyed in silence, just only ´when I stoped and the dog stoped at my side, I said her god dog god dog, and gave a price.
At the same time I have been working in order kind of excercise with a cheese it´s a belgium system, than in these excercise I showed the dog than she is going to move just only when I want it, and the dog been in focus at the cheese, she get a price when I want and if she stay in focus.
And at the same time if sombody is approaching us I gave a cheese and start to work once walking or doing control over her with other system.
We puted the dog down with a choke collar but, I want the dog start to view the people are not a enemy, and try to change her behaviour at she start to change the view of others.
We used a bodysuite and she didn´t bitew to me, and after she come to me without muzzle and either, and yesterday when we workwd with her other perssons have had walking beside us and she not care of them, but she need a lot of work, that´s not the end.

Marco Sandoval wrote:

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yesterday when we workwd with her other perssons have had walking beside us and she not care of them, but she need a lot of work, that´s not the end.

Thanks for saying that. A lot of people (especially newbies) need to hear it. You're never really "finished" with a dog like this--there are no permanent quick-fixes. Been there & done that... :rolleyes:

Pete Felknor

When the pack being doing something wrong the owner take something like a belt, could be a whip, and all the pack run and eachone inside to their housedog.Inside the home the owner is a really alpha leader, I showed it. Now the other problem is whe she try to fight with other dog on the street, sometimes turnaround and bite the leg of the owner. Today I will work in this issue, and I´ll be with a scratch pant or schpant, and now it´s when she need a correction, but only just in this time it been happening.
Well I let you know What it will be happen.
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When the pack being doing something wrong the owner take something like a belt, could be a whip, and all the pack run and eachone inside to their housedog.Inside the home the owner is a really alpha leader, I showed it Ive got it figured out. These dogs are soooo confused it is unreal. They are living in a pack being told they are the alphas. The owner gets angry so he goes to correct the dogs. They don't understand why they are being corrected as if the are alpha they did nothing wrong so they freak out and go into avoidance. This little bitchs genetics wont allow her to be alpha she is told to be alpha the conflict hits her and the only thing she can do is fight!

Get all dogs into new homes educate the owner and start over with ONE dog.

Good advice, get these dogs out of there and start from scratch.