Nancey are you one of those 'wacked out PETA assholes' Ive been hearing about? Murder is taking the life of a human being, dogs arent human ergo by killing I dog Im not guilty of murder. If you believe animal life has the same philosophical/religous/moral value as human we have no common ground culturally/religiously/morally and so cant discuss this issue.

By the way Im considering buying in wild horses and fattening them up and butchering them for my dogs. There are plenty of them running wild higher up in the mountains. Cost $80 a head from the guys who catch them, thats $40 US.Maybe you could catch some mustangs and do that, cut your dog food bill right down. I pick up a lot`of road kill as well, sometimes I have to finish them off, sometimes their road kills cause I make em that way, run em down if Im in my truck, wouldnt do it in my town car, cause too much damage.(to my car that is not the animal)

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Sharon is very critical of Rescue,does she have personal experience of doing rescue work,because a lot of people do rescue work and many of them are supplying the dogs that then go on to serve the police and many other such services.Some of the best Rotties I have supplied are rescue dogs and the current quality of the dogs being bred will result in many more being on rescue lists.
Before you knock the people doing rescue,sort out the bad breeders who will sell a dog to anybody regardless as long as they have the money.
There are those who do save anything but most of us have more brains and experience than you seem to think.

Sharon is very critical of Rescue

No, just "extremists". There are some in every group. :rolleyes:

Actually, Brendon I hate PETA, thay are a bunch of self rightous assholes like yourself, they rescued hundreds of dogs from the shelters in the US and realised they had no place to home them so they MURDERED them also, just to do away with them for no purpose except to suite their needs.

Get your horses, watch how you fatten them up though, dogs do not need high fat diets, as I raise lean rabbits, chickens for the dogs to kill for their meals. So if your trying to piss me off thats not going to do it.

Murder - to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously - that would be you!

Nancy

Sharon,OK I will go along with the argument about the extremists in rescue,I meet many of them on my travels and yes,they do think like you said,sad people.
Paul

Paul, Im interested in your comments re. some resuce dogs going on to make good service animals. Why do you think this is, is it becasuse they were gotten rid of by people who couldnt handle the strong working drives they displayed? People who do resuce work with homeless animals are to be commended for their compassion and humanity in many cases. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Brendans questions,are answered in one word Yes.
As for rescue,there are those who rescue wisely and those who dont,if I see a potential dangerous dog,I dont rehome or use it,others will try and put both themselves and others at risk.Do they know what a real attack from a rottie is like,sadly I do and it was my own fault for trying with a dog when I should have known better about.

Brendan you are too funny.......dogs don't like injections!!! HA but they like a bullet? Please get a grip. I never said I would drop my pet off to be put down. I will be there when my dog needs to be put down and yes I could inject him myself. That's the least I owe him, but I do believe there is a better way than a bullet. On the other board we now have a dog that was rescued after the asshole who meant to shoot the dog, shot her leg off and then was too freaked out to finish the job. The neighbor resuced her as the dumbass left her like that. I live in Alaska and many of the mushers here don't take their animals to the vets, but the vets will issue them the stuff so they can do it themselves. There is a better way. And you are right, most of us do live in Urban areas and the thought of everyone shooting their animals in their backyard would be scary. As far as the soft dick goes, wouldn't know about that one......

I wont be replying to this thread anymore.

***** WOW. Did this thread take a bad turn or what???

mspindler wrote: I considered trying an Ecollar, but I've heard that you aren't supposed to use them on aggressive dogs. If that isn't true, I'll run out and buy one right now I do want to be certain that it won't make things worse before I do that though. Do you know anything about this or has anyone else had experience using an Ecollar on an aggressive dog?

***** I’ve had great success working with this type of dog with Ecollars. But I’ don’t suggest that you “run out and buy one right now.” Without proper instruction you’re very liable to make the problem worse. The Ecollar used for this problem requires a gentle touch in just the right direction. Too heavy a hand or pressure applied in the wrong direction can make the problem much worse.

mspindler wrote: Also, if anyone knows of a trainer in the Maryland area that's good at dealing with these types of issues, please let me know.

***** I sent you, in private mail, the name of a good trainer in your area. I’m not sure if he uses Ecollars for this. I’d be happy to come to Maryland if you set me up with a seminar. (Cheap shameless plug here) Let me know privately if you want the details as to how to set one up.

Vince P. wrote: Trust Lou. He knows his stuff.

***** Thanks for the vote of confidence Vince. But the position as my PR guy is already taken. LOL

Renee Felknor wrote: The problem was that those garden-variety "professionals" were simply afraid of my dog (and he knew it).

***** No trainer who is afraid of a dog is going to make any progress curing his problems.

sharon g wrote: Lou describes how he has worked with this kind of dog with an e-collar, and how he's seen an immediate change in the dog's behavior. I agree that a good trainer and an e-collar can do a lot to get the behavior under control. But it's like putting a bandage on the problem. If the dog is aggressive due to weak nerves, it will never change the temperament.

***** You’re never going to change the dog’s temperament but you can certainly change his behavior. I disagree that it’s a band-aid on the problem. Like many other problems it takes constant reinforcement of the training, but that shouldn’t be too much for anyone who’s taken the trouble to get a computer, find this list and post to it.

sharon g wrote: Like a muzzle, you aren't going to have an e-collar on the dog 24/7.

***** She doesn’t need it on 24 hours a day, just when he goes out. And after the dog is habituated to the behavior it won’t be necessary except for brush-ups. I’ve got police dogs on the street that haven’t “needed” a correction for failing to perform for years. They’ve regularly been stimmed during training and so they keep performing to avoid it again. Many dogs can have their basic personality changed with proper training.