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#334196 - 05/24/2011 04:10 PM |
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Also the butchers here are 100% against raw fed dogs, and I've been shunned from their stores because I'm trying to 'kill' my dogs and they won't have any part of it.
I don't ask butchers for nutrition advice. I just say, "I'd like a case of chicken backs. Here's the money." Then they say, "Thanks."
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Re: Underweight Malinois Questions
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#334197 - 05/24/2011 04:12 PM |
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Also the butchers here are 100% against raw fed dogs, and I've been shunned from their stores because I'm trying to 'kill' my dogs and they won't have any part of it.
Whoa... that's intense. I live in the middle of cattle country, finding someone to sell you a cow to feed to your dog is no problem... finding someone to process the animal another story. The nearest abattoir is a couple of hours away, but if you'll do the drive, they'll slaughter & wrap whatever you bring: mutton, cow, pig, elk, deer. You might try finding the nearest custom abattoir (check w/4H, FFA) & talk to them. 'Course, you'll have to buy a side at a time...
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Re: Underweight Malinois Questions
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#334198 - 05/24/2011 04:14 PM |
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Also: if yoou realy want it and cant find it you can buy lams heart, its FULL of fat all over it, trim all the fat off and boil it in like 1/4 cup water then put in a bowl and put in fridge, then jsut scrape a bit off for feeding 
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#334199 - 05/24/2011 04:20 PM |
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I think I'd prefer feeding raw egg... more balanced & less chance of kicking off pancreatitis. If one is already feeding a rich dog food, I'd be careful about adding more fat.
How susceptible to pancreatitis are Malinois?
You can kill a Sheltie that way. =0(
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Re: Underweight Malinois Questions
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#334225 - 05/24/2011 06:10 PM |
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Pancreatitis is much more likely triggered by feeding cooked fat, especially to a dog unaccustomed to eating animal fat. For raw-fed dogs, raw fat is an important source of energy. There's no particular need to limit raw fat after it has been gradually introduced.
Eggs are a fine protein to feed dogs, but better to cook the whites if they are going to be fed with much frequency. An occasional raw egg isn't going to hurt, and many dogs love them. Cooking the whites (runny yolks are fine) corrects a chemical imbalance that has to do with B vitamin absorption.
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Re: Underweight Malinois Questions
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#334230 - 05/24/2011 06:37 PM |
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My mal mix was a VERY picky eater, and was dangerously thin when I brought her home. She wouldn't touch food for a week straight, and the vet was actually thinking of tubing her, because you could see most of her bones.
What I found that helped the most was Taste of The Wild. She got fat off of the bison/deer formula, and it didn't take much kibble. I also found that she'd eat out of my hand, but disliked bowls. I did tons of reconditioning training to get her used to objects, and eventually she accepted and then loved her kong and wobbler. She now carries her kong around the house, and will sometimes shove it at me, begging me to stuff it for her.
When I brought my dog home, he was pretty thin, but over about two or three weeks he became even thinner. I think it was a combo, stress/high metabolism. He would eat like a pig at times but it was so hard to put weight on him. And he didn't care about his Kong either at first. I had to exercise him a little less for a bit, feed him a larger amount (he eats three cups a day, split up). Now he's filled out and no longer looks like a wolf, lol and he adores his kong toy now.
I've gone back to a little more exercise because I'm still worried about him gaining too much weight. It took a little bit for it to balance out.
But I think it's funny how King didn't care about his Kong at all (King Kong?) and now its the only thing that keeps him busy enough to ignore me, lol.
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Re: Underweight Malinois Questions
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#334233 - 05/24/2011 06:46 PM |
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Pancreatitis is much more likely triggered by feeding cooked fat, especially to a dog unaccustomed to eating animal fat. For raw-fed dogs, raw fat is an important source of energy. There's no particular need to limit raw fat after it has been gradually introduced.
Eggs are a fine protein to feed dogs, but better to cook the whites if they are going to be fed with much frequency. An occasional raw egg isn't going to hurt, and many dogs love them. Cooking the whites (runny yolks are fine) corrects a chemical imbalance that has to do with B vitamin absorption.
Ah, thank you for the clarification... I wasn't aware of the difference between the cooked & uncooked.
The OP's dog is currently not on a raw food diet, and is merely underweight from underfeeding. I still think pushing fat at this point is too hasty & I'd just go for the more gradual steady weight gain from more appropriate levels of food.
Also, regarding the wolves eating wild game... which isn't very fat much of the year, certainly not like CAFO meat. Game does not put on the fat like domestic breeds bred & selected & raised to layer it on beyond reason. So wolves aren't generally eating a hi fat diet.
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Re: Underweight Malinois Questions
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#334234 - 05/24/2011 07:03 PM |
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#334241 - 05/24/2011 07:33 PM |
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(I think Tracy was addressing the difference between raw and cooked fat, as opposed to saying that this dog should get more fat.
I was more addressing those who were pushing the hi-fat... sorry if that wasn't clear. I did appreciate Tracy's synopsis of both the fat & the raw egg.
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#334249 - 05/24/2011 07:44 PM |
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I agree: An increase in the balanced diet is step #1.
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