Quote: Patricia Angove

I would love to read those threads!I do keep a high value treat for after each ear for him but he would rather run otherwise.LOL

Well, I found the one where I lay out the steps, including having all the stuff out and ready (including the super-high-value reward, which is generally cooked, warm, no-nitrites bacon for my dogs ):

http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=26599&page=1#281684

When the dog needed the constant eye procedures, I reserved the bacon just for procedures. No other way to get bacon.

I will hunt out more tomorrow. This one gives the important points, though, even if it's talking about eye-med applications.

This is something to start long before you need it. You won't be sorry you spent the time and energy.

My goal for you with a well dog would probably be gradually working up to touching the canal opening for a few seconds .... long enough to really drop in the drops when you need to.

I should add that I always shake the drops into that pointy applicator tip first so there's no dicking around with first blowing air by mistake and then having to shake the fluid into the tip.

In other words, this all goes best when you are fully prepared, everything lined up, you calm, and treat ready and visible and odorous, before you get the dog.

Connie Thank you that is great! Axel slept through the night and has scratched today at all! I bathe him yesterday and rinsed him in white vinegar mixed with warm water too.When I brushed him I noticed for the first time since he was a puppy,that his skin wasn't white and flakey.It has to be the Raw Diet.He is so much calmer and no longer panting all the time. So Grateful to you all for all your help.I will post his diet on a different thread.

All of this is about true allergy {with IgE response}, not food intolerance or sensitivity:

I just wanted to make a quick note saying that no one on the thread (including me) is saying that your dog can't have a chicken allergy. Not at all.

In fact, chicken is one of the "big four" for dogs -- among food allergens. But food allergies are so much less likely than flea saliva and inhalant-environmental allergies that it's really frustrating how Hills/Science Diet has convinced us (vets too!) that itchy dog means "first, buy this special food."

They started it with lamb and rice food, decades back (and there was nothing non-allergic about lamb except for the fact that many dogs had not eaten it, so it was novel to many .... no longer true at all, of course, thanks to the zillions of bags of lamb and rice kibble we have now fed), and it has grown into a giant industry -- based largely on the myth that "itchy dog" is most likely to mean "buy this special food."

Additionally, while there is a ton of crossover and overlap among symptoms of food allergies, atopy, and flea allergies, there are still a few characteristics that, while they may sound subtle, are important clues.

Food allergies are rare in young dogs and very rare in puppies. The symptoms often don't resolve as well when steroids are tried as they do with atopy (and even fleas). There are often additional GI symptoms, and there is a difference in the exact body geography of the itch. They're not seasonal.

When we automatically think "food allergy" first, without the special food allergy clues, and don't try to exhaust the much-more-likely causes for itchiness, we're pretty much parroting something spoon-fed us (haha) by Hills/Science Diet.

All JMO, though. And all of this is less convincing, I know, to someone whose dog does have food allergies.

 Quote: Patricia Angove

Connie Thank you that is great! Axel slept through the night and has scratched today at all! I bathe him yesterday and rinsed him in white vinegar mixed with warm water too.When I brushed him I noticed for the first time since he was a puppy,that his skin wasn't white and flakey.It has to be the Raw Diet.He is so much calmer and no longer panting all the time. So Grateful to you all for all your help.I will post his diet on a different thread.

This is all such good news!



"He is so much calmer and no longer panting all the time."

Sounds like he may be a dog who is sensitive to foods that are high on the glycemic index (like many kibbles), too.... who experiences glycemic "rushes."



PS
I'll dig up those other threads later.

Well, I decided to try him on a bit of chicken breast today no bones and not to much fat,along with the gr.beef he has done great on. I have never been convinced it was a chicken allergy.I quess I'll find out soon enough..he has done well on eggs.I fell and broke both bones in my leg and shattered my ankle at the end of last Jan. and hired a dog walker 2x daily,he was given lots of her cheap dog bisquits for about 2 weeks until i found out and we had bulk peanut flavored cookies he was given endlessly just prior to the 1st ear infection.I suspected the groomers at pet smart had gotten water in his ears around the same time period also.With me in bed for 3 months unable to walk the first infection got bad..plus the boy was stressed with all the changes.The same time I started Raw I also stopped all treats except the nitrate free hot dogs to treat while doing his ears. I just need to get him on the best diet to allow his immune system to get strong and heal itself.

" I decided to try him on a bit of chicken breast today no bones and not to much fat,along with the gr.beef he has done great on"


What are you giving for RMBs (raw meaty bones .... digestible fully consumable bones) in a ground beef diet?

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

" I decided to try him on a bit of chicken breast today no bones and not to much fat,along with the gr.beef he has done great on"


What are you giving for RMBs (raw meaty bones .... digestible fully consumable bones) in a ground beef diet?

If none, we should sort that out asap, even if with calcium supplementation. That would be a seriously unbalanced diet if fed for any extended period.

sorry, That wasn't his complete dinner tonight.He has had turkey necks and breast bones, as well as, eggs with shells this week.I am hoping he does good on chicken so I can give him the soft chicken necks and backs. the turkey neck kind of freaked me out a bit being so hard.He had really dry powdery poop after that so i went 1 1/2 meals with the gr. meat,liver,hearts,gizzards,eggs with shells and a meaty RB for those meals.

The meaty RB was not part of his meal.

 Quote: Patricia Angove

sorry, That wasn't his complete dinner tonight.He has had turkey necks and breast bones, as well as, eggs with shells this week.I am hoping he does good on chicken so I can give him the soft chicken necks and backs. the turkey neck kind of freaked me out a bit being so hard.He had really dry powdery poop after that so i went 1 1/2 meals with the gr. meat,liver,hearts,gizzards,eggs with shells and a meaty RB for those meals.

Sounds pretty good, but he needs RMBs* (or shell) every day. OTOH, cooked eggs with all the shells would be too much calcium in almost every situation. (One half of one shell, which is about a half-teaspoon ground shell, contains enough calcium for a whole pound of boneless food.)

Just some tweaking so there are good log poops every day.

But that can be another thread. And it sounds pretty good!



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http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm#RMB

Thank you that really helps. In Lew olson new book he has an allergy diet and it called for 2- 4minute boiled eggs with the shells.yikes! I will save a few and dry them in case I ever need to add them to his food.