They aren't my parent organization.

I totally got that from your previous post.

BTW; Good luck finding people to join your club.

Edited by Duane Hull (03/04/2013 08:25 AM)
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 Quote: Duane Hull

Geez... is there noone out there who can discuss this objectively?

Betty;
How did all of this start? Why did members start leaving USCA? I gather that USCA started refusing to recognize the associations and the scorebooks of people who jumped ship (i.e., GSDCA members)?

 Quote: Betty Waldron

It's stupid. The bad blood between WDA and UScA seems to go way back with both organizations pointing their finger at the other one saying "But mom, he started it?" Who gets hurt? The local club member just looking for a place to train and trial their dog and have fun. And the local club struggling to meet trail expenses.

As a new IPO/SchH trainer I can't even begin to tell you how much sense (as always) Betty is making here. I have had several dogs in the past, but this is my first that I have participated with in dog sports.

I just want to train with my dog and be sure he and I are having fun while doing so. Occasionally, I would like to go to some local club in order to trail so we can show off what both of us have learned, while having fun and enjoying the brief time they have on this planet together.

Upon entering our first show together, and for NASS, we had to join a club. I picked one that let me shave $10 off of the entry fee. Then I read all about the in-fighting between the two and became frustrated and sad that such petty politics and bickering could enter the world of dogs. So I gave up looking into it more.

If it were the dogs that ran things, we would be much better off. Things tend to get all messed up when humans enter the picture.

We have been having a similar ‘difference of opinion’ situation on a private board I am a member of, regarding the SA registries, and two very good friends have fallen out over a relatively unimportant point; these type of things are divisive, and ultimately have zero bearing on the relationship we have with our dogs, which as Lee pointed out, is for a very short time.

It is a sad and unnecessary situation, that won’t be reconciled because each party is right as far as they are concerned.

Enjoy Sadie Duane, like she enjoys you, it doesn't get much better than that

Thanks, Tracey. I had done some looking around on older threads, and come to the conclusion that most of it was just baggage. As long as I have a place to train and trial, none of that should matter much.

Yep Duane, just find a good group of training buddies and let the rest fall in as it may. When you get ready to trial get a score book from what ever organization is easiest.

Seriously I know of a club that organized under the American Working Malinois Association only because they did not require an affiliation trial.

Last I heard both organizations accepted DVG scorebooks, it can sometimes be annoying dealing with Germany with their membership rules and you have to make sure you have your score book way in advance of a trial but there are some really good people in the organization.

A link is provided to a USCA newletter that shows that Elder and Roetemeyer knew they were breaking the rules in 2003. It was a decision by the leadership of the USCA to not acknowledge the GSDCA-WDA regardless of the rules or regulations.

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/members/newsletter/sept03nl_web.pdf

By the way the portions of the Newletter written by Elder and Roetemeyer are full of lies .. it was a strategy based on lies from the get go .. a one sided description of conversations with other people that never happened the way described .. what is known as propaganda. Paint the other side as attacking the USCA to justify attacking them.

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/members/newsletter/sept03nl_web.pdf

Charles, you don't get it? Most of us don't care who started it we really just don't care.

It's politics and little people building kingdom's at the expense of the people that support BOTH organizations with their dues and are just looking for something fun and challenging to do with their dogs.

Say what you want about the UScA but the fact of is that they have the trials, they are the ones that developed a judges program, and they in fact are in a lot better shape to proceed with or with out the SV.

You want to build WDA? Great, go for it, I was hoping that Danny would when he was President. I'd have more respect for both sides if they stopped slinging mud at the other and put that time and energy in their own program. Speaking of which, his resignation letter spoke volumes, didn't it?

What does WDA need the UScA for? If UScA does not want you at your trials hold your own. All this crap does is eat of the membership fees of the person training their dog on weekends. You know, money that could be going back to the membership in programs.

Some of the best training groups I've belonged to did not have any National Club affiliation and we got along just great. Maybe there should be more of that.