 Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378287 - 05/23/2013 04:13 PM |
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That being said, do you think consistency and more reps would program the behavior? You're thinking no aversives, even though she knows what is expected? Not trying to put you on the spot; sincerely seeking a solution.
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378288 - 05/23/2013 04:19 PM |
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Its like a cue its time to do something getting her excited
Story of my life with this dog. She is sharp, and EVERYTHING is a cue. If I stand up or get out of bed, she herds me towards the door (and then gives me the stank eye indefinitely if I don't take her out).
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378292 - 05/23/2013 05:03 PM |
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"That being said, do you think consistency and more reps would program the behavior? You're thinking no aversives, even though she knows what is expected? Not trying to put you on the spot; sincerely seeking a solution."
This is about her sitting automatically (without command) when you come to a curb, right?
This: I am trying to teach her that she cannot step into the street without sitting and waiting for me to look both ways, and to look for cars herself.
Not this: So you don't think it's possible that she's anxious to get out of the truck or go outside to self-gratify?
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378293 - 05/23/2013 05:05 PM |
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Yes, or sitting on the tailgate when she exits the kennel in the truck so she can be leashed, or waiting at doors and gates instead of pushing past me.
All are behaviors where she knows she has to wait for me to give her a cue to proceed. The curb is compounded by the fact that she is at heel, and always sits when I stop, except at the curb.
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378294 - 05/23/2013 05:09 PM |
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The curb is comparable because, in all of these situations, she is wanting to go somewhere and is excited about going. She knows proper heeling behavior, but refuses to sit when we get to the curb, unless she is given a command or a correction. The problem is not the command, because, if I correct her, she sits without a sit command.
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378295 - 05/23/2013 05:12 PM |
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Long story short, as previously stated, she knows the behavior but is ignoring me when she's bound and determined to go somewhere exciting.
The auto-sit at the curb should not be an issue, because she is at heel and has to sit when I stop. She is choosing not to.
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378296 - 05/23/2013 05:19 PM |
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"All are behaviors where she knows she has to wait for me to give her a cue to proceed."
I don't think I'd be so certain of that. I think you have inadvertently done what is sometimes called "fading her into an ambush."
The correction is now a cue, like the command. Now what you want, I'm thinking.
"She always sits when I stop, except at the curb." That erases the "I wanna get there" thing, to me.
"Long story short, as previously stated, she knows the behavior but is ignoring me when she's bound and determined to go somewhere exciting."
Then why does she "always sit when I stop" everywhere else, just not at the curb? 
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378297 - 05/23/2013 05:21 PM |
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That being said, do you think consistency and more reps would program the behavior?
Yes.
(I know you weren't asking me, but yes anyway.  )
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378298 - 05/23/2013 05:30 PM |
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"All are behaviors where she knows she has to wait for me to give her a cue to proceed."
I don't think I'd be so certain of that. I think you have inadvertently done what is sometimes called "fading her into an ambush."
The correction is now a cue, like the command. Now what you want, I'm thinking.
It doesn't have to be a correction. If I wait her out, she will eventually comply.
Then why does she "always sit when I stop" everywhere else, just not at the curb?
Because she is excited about crossing the street. The most common curb is across the street from her favorite crittering yard. Any time we cross a street or head toward an area that she doesn't have unlimited access to, she elevates in drive.
ETA; GO! GO,GO,GO! Gotta go! C'mon, let's go! Please, can we go?!
Edited by Duane Hull (05/23/2013 05:30 PM)
Edit reason: eta
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Re: Are some breeds less understood?
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#378299 - 05/23/2013 05:27 PM |
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Yes.
(I know you weren't asking me, but yes anyway. )
I was hoping that Bob and Candi would also coninue this conversation, as well. I wouldn't mind hearing what Anne thinks either.
Or anyone else, for that matter.
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