 Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Duane Hull ]
#382416 - 08/30/2013 04:29 PM |
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"IMHO, a nomimal fee for a govt ID is no less ethical than charging for a handicapped vehicle registration or parking permit. My idea was not about the money. As has been stated by other posters, there are agencies to assist disabled who cannot afford the necessities. If an agency is going to the trouble and expense of training and providing a service dog, surely they wouldn't object to another twenty or thirty dollars to get the official ID."
I was thinking too about how "sliding scale" works .... it could work here too, right?
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#382724 - 09/06/2013 10:57 PM |
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From our local Parish ordinances...
Sec. 7-27. Animals in restaurants and other businesses.
Animals shall not be permitted in restaurants or other places serving food, establishments selling food or edible products, or in any place of business when prohibited by the owner of same. This provision shall not apply to professionally-trained guide dogs for the disabled. (Code 1961, § 4-17(h); Ord. No. 20257, § 4, 1-14-98)
As a small business owner, I would interpret this as "I am not prohibited from asking for proof that a service dog is professionally trained". Also, it specifically mentions "guide dogs for the disabled", so I would think it my right to disallow dogs that provide emotional support. Personally, I would pbly allow dogs that give active medical alerts (provided it's not a problem for the bulk of my customers), but I don't see where I'm required to.
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Robert A. Eggleston ]
#382731 - 09/07/2013 05:31 AM |
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Federal law trumps a parish ordinance. Especially one that pre-dates the ADA.
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Robert A. Eggleston ]
#382733 - 09/07/2013 07:31 AM |
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And just what is the definition of a "professional" dog trainer? Get a certificate from a school saying you are one? Buy one over the internet? Work for a business instead of freelance? File a DBA with the state? Just hang out a shingle and print up some business cards?
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Cathy Goessman ]
#382734 - 09/07/2013 07:39 AM |
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Federal law trumps a parish ordinance. Especially one that pre-dates the ADA.
Could you post the ADA law that supercedes this one? I'm about to go out of town for the day and don't have time to look it up.
Part of my point is that most business owners are not going to go to the trouble to research the applicable laws. If I'm covered by local and state laws, I might risk the possibility of someone enforcing the ADA regulations. About the only recourse a patron would have would be a lawsuit, and I think my lawyer could mount a viable defense. If not, he'll baffle you with petitions and tie up the case for years.
Why would someone with a legitimate service dog object to proving it?
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
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#382735 - 09/07/2013 07:38 AM |
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And just what is the definition of a "professional" dog trainer? Get a certificate from a school saying you are one? Buy one over the internet? Work for a business instead of freelance? File a DBA with the state? Just hang out a shingle and print up some business cards?
EXACTLY!!! Without regulation and identification, who's to say what is and what isn't a legitimate service dog? This is the gigantic loophole that the ADA left open.
And I ask again; Why is this limited to dogs?
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Robert A. Eggleston ]
#382739 - 09/07/2013 08:09 AM |
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Where do they charge for handicap tags for cards? From everything I've heard they are free if you need one. Your doctor signs off one one or you reach a certain age and you get a handicap hangtag or plate for your vehicle free of charge. And said tag will allow you to park free at meters in many areas. The only thing that I see working right now (without a major overhaul to a system that is working well by and large) is treating service dogs like a drug and require a prescription. People could still train their own, getting a dog would still be straightforward and accessible if you needed one, you wouldn't be adding another layer of bureaucracy and you'd cut down on the "we'll just buy an id or vest for our pet" crowd.
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Robert A. Eggleston ]
#382740 - 09/07/2013 08:30 AM |
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Did a quick check. Some states charge fees for handicapped reg; Cali does not.
Based on the frequency of reports of fraud by and against disabled patrons, I can't agree that, overall, the ADA's system is working.
When I get a chance, I will post the ADA regs.
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Robert A. Eggleston ]
#382741 - 09/07/2013 08:31 AM |
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If you're a business you don't have the luxury of not knowing laws. Business have to comply with other ADA laws like handicap parking, bathrooms, wheelchair accessibility, and more. Not to mention OSHA laws and IRS laws and building codes. Service dog law is pretty darn simple compared to those. If you've got 10 min and google you can figure out federal/state service dog law
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Re: Service Dog Scams advertised on FaceBook
[Re: Robert A. Eggleston ]
#382822 - 09/09/2013 10:07 AM |
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Why is the onus on the business owner? The vast majority of his clients don't require special accomodations. The onus should be on the ADA.
I worked for years in construction, and have managed and owned several businesses. I can tell you unequivocably that the bulk of education about handicapped access that business owners receive comes from the enforcing authorities, specifically fire marshalls, building inspectors, and code enforcement inspectors. The small business owner is not out searching for this info on his own.
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