Please PM me if you want to talk to me. The poor OP. I think he needs help finding a dog for his wife.

Jose, in checking out your first link - Kimbo seems a very capable dog and quite well trained - then @ 3:20 - does not like that correction he got and let his handler know it. Still that's a comment on the dog and the handler, not the breed. But yow!
edited to add: that's a comment from a layperson, I do not have extensive bitesport background. I do love watching dogs in bitework though

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Please PM me if you want to talk to me. The poor OP. I think he needs help finding a dog for his wife.

You're right.

I apologize to the O.P.

Back to his thread.

Brianah;

What you're NOT GETTING is that, sure... all of our dogs will bite you!!! The point is, can you verbally command him not to bite? Does he have the obedience, once he's taught that biting is okay, to NOT BITE until released or triggered to do so. Does he have the discipline, when in an excited state of drive, to "OUT" on command? Once he bites, are you in control?

That is what I meant when I asked if you knew the difference between basic obedience and the obedience required in a protection phase. Proper protection training requires that your dog be bred and conditioned to focus when there is chaos in his brain.

You said it best when you said that the group thought he would be good
"if he had had the proper upbringing".

If a dog does not get the proper training, it doesn't matter how well he is bred or how strong his temperament is. A dog who has not been trained and proofed should not be asked to do the work, especially personal protection.

Jose:

My only exposure to the Bandogs is from Youtube videos like those you posted. Based on my limited experience, I would only suggest that they don't seem (to me) like they would be a good fit for a relatively inexperienced protection handler. High drive, relatively hard, and very powerful. Things could go wrong very quickly in a real-life scenario.

 Quote: Kristin Muntz

Jose, in checking out your first link - Kimbo seems a very capable dog and quite well trained - then @ 3:20 - does not like that correction he got and let his handler know it. Still that's a comment on the dog and the handler, not the breed. But yow!
edited to add: that's a comment from a layperson, I do not have extensive bitesport background. I do love watching dogs in bitework though

Thanks that kind of comments its what i want to read , I will check video closely as that kind of comments keeps coming to this treat

 Quote: Duane Hull

Brianah;

What you're NOT GETTING is that, sure... all of our dogs will bite you!!! The point is, can you verbally command him not to bite? Does he have the obedience, once he's taught that biting is okay, to NOT BITE until released or triggered to do so. Does he have the discipline, when in an excited state of drive, to "OUT" on command? Once he bites, are you in control?

That is what I meant when I asked if you knew the difference between basic obedience and the obedience required in a protection phase. Proper protection training requires that your dog be bred and conditioned to focus when there is chaos in his brain.

You said it best when you said that the group thought he would be good
"if he had had the proper upbringing".

If a dog does not get the proper training, it doesn't matter how well he is bred or how strong his temperament is. A dog who has not been trained and proofed should not be asked to do the work, especially personal protection.

This comment actually helps more so the problem is not that dogs trained in Protection wont bite but the problem could be that they dont want to out the bite? are you talking about your own dogs or does this apply to others as well?

for example my pit has lots of fight drive against other dogs as i said, if dogs come to me barking he is the first to gladly go and fight them may be genes but he looks happy doing that lol

I actually never allow him to fight, i just allow him to chase them a bit then i call him and he immediately stops the chase and come back to me, sometimes i go out of the house and few dogs comes to my front yard because i guess they can smell my dog pee in the three so sometimes i open the door and a dog is there and mine go out immediately to make him run, even if he is in high drive i can always make him stop the chase and make him come back just with my voice, is that an example of control during a high fight drive like you where saying, is that good control in a chaos situation or is this something else? what do you think?

I did spend a lot of time teaching my dog this control since puppy because i knew he could get into a dog fight due to his nature and i also taught him the out, i learnt from michael ellis materials and he always leave what he is doing and out when i say so when playing tug and when chasing dogs.

is that the kind of control require or it goes beyond that? thanks

 Quote: Duane Hull

Jose:

My only exposure to the Bandogs is from Youtube videos like those you posted. Based on my limited experience, I would only suggest that they don't seem (to me) like they would be a good fit for a relatively inexperienced protection handler. High drive, relatively hard, and very powerful. Things could go wrong very quickly in a real-life scenario.

I agree on that this dogs look so powerful that you would need tons of experience to handle them and it might be me but i would never get one of this dogs all ready trained and grown up, i wouldnt like to have to go thru the whole pack leadership if this dogs believes he is the alpha, i wouldn like to square with a dog like this lol, I guess best choice would be to get a puppy and grow him with tons of obedience , pack leadership, love and bound with the dog, and train protection together so you both grow together and this may give you time to lear all necessary to control a dog like that, its really a commitment, I would happy do that but I really need tons of info and stuff.

2nd link is actually a better example of what's being talked about here - after the bark and hold, Khai's good attention heeling is fragmented as he keeps wanting to stare back at the helper, because that's where he's perceiving the reward to be - the bite. His drive and focus is not as much for his handler at that point, I think, and the handler has a bit less control in the face of that particular distraction. (observations not criticism, still a well trained animal)

IMO his rear end looks odd when he moves. Is that just me?

Regarding your own dog, calling him back reliably off a chase like the one you are describing is good obedience in drive. Hard to say what is motivating the dog at that point, and when he would be too keyed up to respond to your command, without knowing your dog, but if you know when he's going past the threshold, that's the important part.