 Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395064 - 11/10/2014 08:31 PM |
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Easy Ria, not too many things at once. He may not run next to any kind of vehicle. He doesn't know how to walk on a leash with you yet, right?
Are you sure the nylon collar is too big? Its just meant to be a back up to a prong coming apart, you want it loose enough to not interfere with the pop and release of the prong.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395065 - 11/10/2014 08:45 PM |
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There is 3 to 4 extra Inches when it is up around where it should be. My biggest issue is I can't use the prong collar. I just don't have the strength to put it together. I guess we are back to the gentle leader for now.  Are the small prong collars easier to squeeze than the medium?
And I do know I can't just run him next to the car tomorrow. Should have put an lol in there. But we are going to work toward that.
 Handsome Hank
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395066 - 11/10/2014 08:53 PM |
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too much, too fast , i'm out.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395067 - 11/10/2014 08:54 PM |
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It can just hang out of the way. It doesnt have to be anywhere. Its just so that he isn't loose if the prong comes apart. You just don't want it tangled with the prong. Yeah, the lighter weight, smaller, the easier to squeeze. Which exact collar did you buy? Does it have the little plates the links go through or just links?
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395068 - 11/10/2014 09:37 PM |
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Well, don't run him over!
It might take some work to get him to learn how to trot alongside a vehicle safely. Plus, despite the fact that he's a big tough guy, he might be in no real shape. So you'd have to start slow, a mile or so. You don't want to cause some orthopedic injury. But he couldn't jump on you, and it's something different, he probably has never done it before. You'd need a helper to drive.
You have to watch the surface too, with a non-country dog. So his feet don't get sore.
Maybe it won't work. A treadmill would be a whole lot safer. But it could be worth a try.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395069 - 11/10/2014 10:46 PM |
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Ria, at first I couldn't use the prong collar as it was just too hard on my hands - and my trying to put it on my GSD was irritating to him as it took forever so I stopped.
What I did next was to take the prong collar and keep bending it where the flat plate was while not trying to put it on the dog .. after a week or so of that I could fasten it quite quickly .. and take it off fast as well.
I don't know if the exercise made my hands stronger or made the metal more pliable but hey, it worked.
I rarely use it but being older and with bad hands and shoulder issues I had to use it here and there when I first got him .. he was 7 months old and had zero training .. today, he is mostly a darling and walks perfectly .. he is 15 months old and just a blessing.
Good luck .. you sound like a wonderful owner who is totally committed. Lucky Dog.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395070 - 11/10/2014 11:17 PM |
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sorry I really don't get the jump to dominant dog collar and prongs from a dog we all including the owner agree is not dominant and just wants, is begging, for some interaction.
seriously?????
this is just so screwy, weird, thoughtless and bizarre imo.
I have talked to more than one MWD dog trainers on this topic that say the need to use a DD collar has only occurred very rarely in an entire life career of training thousands of civil dogs specifically bred and selected for man aggression.
geeez.
A pushy, obnoxious, spoiled dog, even if it isn't aggression may need the pinch and DD collar simply because, in this instance the OP said they have never worked with a dog like this before.
The pound is full of these same type dogs because the owners didn't want to or just didn't understand how to get in under control and the problems just multiplied and got out of control.
The DD collar can often be a necessity to use with a pinch collar simply because pinch collars are known for popping open at inappropriate times.
Not a jump on, just a bit of Hopefully helpful info for you. 
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
[Re: Ria Neubauer ]
#395072 - 11/11/2014 09:19 AM |
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If you want to burn energy to help manage the dog, you can start marker training as soon as the groundwork training allows.
Take dog to large, fenced back yard.
Dog offers to play.
Rather than toss ball immediately, command "sit" (or hand gesture or lure, depending on which stage of training you're in).
As soon as dog complies, mark and toss ball (or just toss, if you're not marker training).
When dog returns with ball and offers to play again, repeat. If dog doesn't immediately return, let him play for a spell. When he is ready to engage again, he will bring you the ball, as he is learning that that's how you want to engage. Do not cave if he drops the ball and tries to tussle. Get the ball and have him sit.
Repeat until dog has had enough.
If the dog tries to play but will not fetch and is intent on nipping, put him away. He will need an outlet for his energy, and eventually will learn that being pushy does not get the desired results.
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395073 - 11/11/2014 09:25 AM |
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Ok, just for clarification: the dog is NOT running next to the car today, tomorrow or any time in the near future. He is nowhere near ready for that.
I got the medium collar with just the links. I think I will return it for a different one and continue with the head halter until then. He isn't perfect on it, but he is much easier to walk.
Handsome Hank
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Re: Brand new here, groundwork for pack structure
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#395074 - 11/11/2014 09:29 AM |
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If you want to burn energy to help manage the dog, you can start marker training as soon as the groundwork training allows.
Take dog to large, fenced back yard.
Dog offers to play.
Rather than toss ball immediately, command "sit" (or hand gesture or lure, depending on which stage of training you're in).
As soon as dog complies, mark and toss ball (or just toss, if you're not marker training).
When dog returns with ball and offers to play again, repeat. If dog doesn't immediately return, let him play for a spell. When he is ready to engage again, he will bring you the ball, as he is learning that that's how you want to engage. Do not cave if he drops the ball and tries to tussle. Get the ball and have him sit.
Repeat until dog has had enough.
If the dog tries to play but will not fetch and is intent on nipping, put him away. He will need an outlet for his energy, and eventually will learn that being pushy does not get the desired results.
Thank you, that was extremely helpful. Gives me a goal to work toward. Right now he is sleeping at my feet on his leash. Baby steps forward.
Handsome Hank
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