Lori Hall wrote 07/14/2016 10:59 PM Re: Crate question [Re: Candi Campbell ] #401456 - 07/14/2016 10:59 PM
Lori Hall Webboard User Reg: 06-12-2007 Posts: 1039 Loc: So. California coast Offline	It's funny because we intuitively did the knee thing to him when he started doing the humping thing, but then the trainer said that wasn't the right way to handle it, and to stand still till he jumped off, then treat. When that got us nowhere quick, we decided to go back to our way. But by then we were also starting into the guarding behavior and decided we'd had enough of all of it and back he went. Bob, we definitely did NOT wear shorts around this pup!!! But that didn't keep the rest our body safe - I swear I have never had so much blood drawn from a puppy in all my other dogs combined!! Our arms and hands were a constant mess of puncture wounds and scrapes - people were always asking what happened to us. I just wish I hadn't gone along with the trainer so long!! I know better next time. Which by the way, will be next March! We found a breeder closer to us who is planning a litter this winter and the pups will be going home late February/early March. I will be trusting my gut this time around... (thank you Anne!)
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Bob Scott wrote 07/14/2016 11:09 PM Re: Crate question [Re: Cathy Goessman ] #401457 - 07/14/2016 11:09 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	"Using noise to interrupt" Thus the tap on the window to quiet a dog. It's just a matter of connecting the noise to a behavior and that can be good OR bad behavior! A firm "NO' to interrupt a behavior is a perfect example. For some dogs that "NO" is more then enough to do the job yet with some dogs there needs to be a consequence associated with the "NO" noise. That "consequence" is all about what works for the individual dog. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 07/15/2016 06:33 AM Re: Crate question [Re: Candi Campbell ] #401462 - 07/15/2016 06:33 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	What method do you use for jumping at you for ex. as a "Welcome back"? Standing still or going on walking ignoring the dogs helps, but it always takes some time. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Christina Stockinger wrote 07/15/2016 05:58 AM Re: Crate question [Re: Candi Campbell ] #401463 - 07/15/2016 05:58 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Christina, The pup was NOT jumping up, he was "HUMPING" her leg, like "Dog-Mating" dominance behavior Just standing still for it was what He WANTED Her to do -- So that was a POSITIVE result for Him. Ah, ok, thanks for explaining! I've got it now. I misunderstood the word "hump". Yes, then of course it was positive for him. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Christina Stockinger wrote 07/15/2016 06:26 AM Re: Crate question [Re: Bob Scott ] #401464 - 07/15/2016 06:26 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	"Using noise to interrupt." This really works, Bob. When a firm "No" doesn't help, (excessive barking, playing is getting to wild etc.), then we can turn on the water hose strongly, (without splashing the dogs), makes them stop the behaviour just because of the noise. Meanwhile it is enough when we just grab it without turning it on. But unfortunately we can not always carry a hose with us. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Candi Campbell wrote 07/15/2016 12:44 PM Re: Crate question [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #401469 - 07/15/2016 12:44 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 03-28-2013 Posts: 1571 Loc: Offline	Quote: Christina Stockinger "Using NOISE to Interrupt." This really works, Bob. When a firm "No" doesn't help, (excessive barking, playing is getting to wild etc.), then we can turn on the water hose strongly, (without splashing the dogs), makes them stop the behaviour just because of the noise. Meanwhile it is enough when we just grab it without turning it on. But unfortunately we can not always carry a hose with us. My 2 Dobies can go from "Isn't this fun?" straight into "I'm gonna Kick your ASS!" in a nano-second while romping with each other in the backyard -- But a Level 10 "!HEY!" from me Roared WITH Authority stops that and causes them to do a mutual "shake-off & re-set" right back into Play Mode
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Christina Stockinger wrote 07/15/2016 01:28 PM Re: Crate question [Re: Lori Hall ] #401470 - 07/15/2016 01:28 PM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	Wow! LOL! I've got a good strong voice too. My dogs also listen on a "He!" quite well. But this level is for me still far down the road! Congrats! “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Bob Scott wrote 07/15/2016 10:43 PM Re: Crate question [Re: Christina Stockinger ] #401471 - 07/15/2016 10:43 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	There needs to be an immediate consequence for the dogs to consistently respect the "HEY", etc. If the "noise" used starts loosing power then the dog needs a reminder. The level of that consequence/reminder is up to the owner of the dog to figure out the level needed. Random and consistent! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Christina Stockinger wrote 07/16/2016 07:04 AM Re: Crate question [Re: Lori Hall ] #401479 - 07/16/2016 07:04 AM
Christina Stockinger Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2015 Posts: 1619 Loc: Brazil, Bahia Offline	And the reminder would be a strong jerk with the leash? Consistency, timing, random, yes. With the "hey!" I am for sure consistent when on a walk the leash straightens. Then they come back. But when two are playing together and it gets exaggerated in a way I fear it could switch into a fight, then I shout a "hey!" too, but I must admit NOT consistent, because then we are mostly talking with guests and I'm not always focussed enough on the dogs. Additionally in that situation they're loose. How can I give a Strong reminder? Only when the water hose is near. “If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs, then you are a leader” – Rudyard Kipling
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Mara Jessup wrote 07/16/2016 09:13 AM Re: Crate question [Re: Lori Hall ] #401481 - 07/16/2016 09:13 AM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: Lori Hall It's funny because we intuitively did the knee thing to him when he started doing the humping thing, but then the trainer said that wasn't the right way to handle it, and to stand still till he jumped off, then treat. Ay yi yi. that "trainer" Honestly, I don't know a positive reinforcement person who would think that was acceptable (though I now that they're out there - I just personally know good people!). They'd be focused on proactively preventing it. Or at least removing him when it started... My boy tried humping a few times. But I could see him start to think about it and immediately asked for an incompatible behavior. Which I heavily rewarded. If I didn't catch it early enough, physical redirection of some manner would have been next. And then a drag line when loose so I could step on it and prevent the behavior. The few times he tried resource guarding (from my other dog and being a jerk about it) , well, a strong "what the heck do you think you're doing" made him immediately rethink his actions. After I got my point across (and he responded favorably) I heavily rewarded him for calm behavior in the vicinity of the guarded object. K-9 Knitter
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