Brad Gargis wrote 04/16/2002 02:35 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47024 - 04/16/2002 02:35 AM
Brad Gargis Webboard User Reg: 02-09-2002 Posts: 659 Loc: Offline	I can understand the original question the first guy asked. I think though this is starting to turn into what it always does on the show/work debate. (How many times will this happen?) If that's where this is going then I think the thread should be closed. (Just an opinion) I assumed all he meant was what many people ask, which is they'd just like to see the same color pattern as the show dogs. When I wrote what I did that's all I meant. There are some good working lines that are more of the black/tan color, just not as many. Everyone knows about the show BS situation here, the picture Dave shows proves everyone's point. So lets not concentrate on useless time kills.
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Dave Lilley wrote 04/16/2002 02:56 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47025 - 04/16/2002 02:56 AM
Dave Lilley Webboard User Reg: 08-10-2001 Posts: 380 Loc: Offline	Brad, I don't find ANY mention of color in the original post on this thread. If you don't like the conversation... don't join in. We will do just fine without lectures from you.
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Dave Lilley wrote 04/16/2002 03:02 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47026 - 04/16/2002 03:02 AM
Dave Lilley Webboard User Reg: 08-10-2001 Posts: 380 Loc: Offline	Does anyone care to comment on the reason that most working line dogs are sable and most show line dogs tend to be black and tan (or black/red)?
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Butch Crabtree wrote 04/16/2002 03:05 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47027 - 04/16/2002 03:05 AM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> We all prefer certain type of animals, dogs,horses,birds or whatever. I thought the original thread was Ferron asking about the mix of the two types of dogs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> All I have read pretty much is everyone sharing their exoeriences good and bad with this type of dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> It may help or keep someone from doing what I did not knowing any better. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Dave I'm with you on this one 100% Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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Laura Sanborn wrote 04/16/2002 03:12 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47028 - 04/16/2002 03:12 AM
Laura Sanborn Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2001 Posts: 165 Loc: Offline	Philippe, A GSD doesn't need a V (Excellent) conformation rating to qualify for the SV breed survey. The much lower G (Good) or better is all that is required. The sire of my working line GSD has a SG (Very Good) conformation rating but went Kkl 1 (the highest classification -- "recommended for breeding") in his breed survey. A HGH title can be substituted for a schutzhund title + AD. Also, a Koermeister is not a "Breed Warden". A Koermeister is a "Breed Master". The same Koermeisters do breed surveys for both working line and show line GSDs. My understanding is that they are for the most part biased in favor of the pretty show dogs. Wilfred Scheld is said to be one who really appreciates a strong working dog. Laura
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Robert VanCamp wrote 04/16/2002 03:17 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47029 - 04/16/2002 03:17 AM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	Brad, Brad, Brad :rolleyes: There is an important point here. The question asked was if people cross the show lines with the working lines. The correct answer is YES, I am sure that some weirdo out there is doing it. The REAL answer is that this is stupid, there is no good reason to cross the show lines with the working lines. This is an important subject in my mind. One that is beat to death, but still important. There are some good things that have been said here. One more thing, Black and Tan is the most common color for the GSD, working or show lines. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Butch Crabtree wrote 04/16/2002 03:19 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47030 - 04/16/2002 03:19 AM
Butch Crabtree Webboard User Reg: 01-14-2002 Posts: 966 Loc: louisiana/texas Offline	Well said!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Butch Crabtree kennel vom Avoyelles
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Robert VanCamp wrote 04/16/2002 03:21 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47031 - 04/16/2002 03:21 AM
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001 Posts: 3916 Loc: Offline	I've got two reasons that the darker pigments are vastly more common in the working lines. One, dark dogs are easier to see in a herd of sheep, and two dark dogs are less easy to see when running at you to bite your nutz. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Also working people have less interest in the looks of the dog so there was never a label put on the "other" colors by us folks. Wolfy, ugly, dirty looking, etc..
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Brad Gargis wrote 04/16/2002 03:27 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47032 - 04/16/2002 03:27 AM
Brad Gargis Webboard User Reg: 02-09-2002 Posts: 659 Loc: Offline	Uh oh, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Do you bite as hard as you bark? One things for sure baby, if it was just you and me we'd have alot more than a lecture Lilley Dave. I'm not afraid to go heads up with you pal. Your BS social status college credentials doesn't impress me nor does your Boyscout cop routine either. I don't have to say that, I'm well aware of what I can do. If I irritate you then send me a personal buzz sometime. Butch, your right. That was the question. But the main point anyone should know if there wanting to mix the two then there going to get the axe. That's all I'm saying. I've seen this discussed alot and Lilly Dave has too, he's been here before me. I'm for the working lines period. Van Camp, you know me. I'm not into color. But there's going to be people in here thinking they can do something different. There always will be, that's all I mean.
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Philippe Jehl wrote 04/16/2002 03:32 AM Re: Show and Working lines [Re: FERRON ] #47033 - 04/16/2002 03:32 AM
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