From my own experience as a breeder of pure working lines,the Czech lines are superb. I only have Belgian and Czech dogs . I've been crossing the two lines for 5 yrs now and talk about great hips and all the right stuff...best genetics I've ever seen. I have a Leerburg female out of Orfey and Anja. I've just bred her to a Czech import out of PS kennels.This should be an outstanding litter if all holds true. But for attention ,drive, toughness and the will to do the work....Belgian/Czech crosses are doing the job for me.

I too have a half Czech male and he is very typical of what has been described. A lot of the young Czech dogs that I have seen were very nice, even the ones crossed with West German Show lines which I see a lot from there. THe above post is true, from what I have seen the Czech dogs offer a what I would say, a new gene pool for working breeders to go to. They for the most part, produce very nice working dogs. The GSD from Belgium, are bred the majority of the top dogs from there are maybe 3rd or fourth generation West or some East German working lines. It is the way they have combined these bloodlines together that has made them so successfull.

Welcome aboard JoeBelgianCzechGSD! I hope I can call you Joe. LOL.

Look at all this beautiful Czech talk, who would have known? I'm lovin' it baby. . .

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Gretta, I own a training center that caters to the pet dog. So it is very difficult for me to get out. I train with a local guy here. He also owns a training center. I am trying to get to the O.G. Im Wald SchH club. However, they mainly train on Saturdays, which are my busiest days. I will be out showing more this spring and summer.

The skittishness(is this a word???) I have seen involves new circumstances. When we have a litter of puppies, they are brought out into the actual training center at 4 weeks. I have a playground set up for them. At five weeks I leave them out when I teach classes. They are exposed to dogs of all sizes, kids, people, sudden noises...Very well socialized. Still even after all this with these lines when they encounter something new, they are very standoffish. If you look at them you could almost say afraid, or disinterested. Then as you watch them grow, you see it isn't skittish or fear at all. It is a young pup already showing the makings of being a working dog. In each case I have seen this when the dog got older nothing would scare these dogs. I believe it is something to work through and know with these lines. Ed has talked about with his lines the males when they are about a year old lose their brain. When they hit about 15 mo old, everything is fine. It is something to work through. I believe it is the same with the Czech lines. Keep exposing, keep training, keep going to new places and playing.

Todd,

I can relate to being busy. My club is Machtig Strom & we train in Moline. Stop by sometime, we have lots of interest in the Czech dogs as a club.

Gretta Welsh

Alot of this standoffishness (Beats skittishness <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )has a bit to do with the lines. Gero z Blatenskeho zamku offspring are quite suspicous of people from a young age but by 12 months they are over it normally. Art Lipin off spring can be the same as well. But this trait does not stop them being serious dogs when they mature. Just look at Gero and Art themselfs. Alot of the Gero stuff I believe comes from Omar BZ. If you line breed close on Omar with Gero in the line you will see it for sure.
You also should watch close Ciro and Gomo line breeding. Crossing these two close gives alot of suspicion and aggression as well. Not always but alot of the time.

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I agree about the standoffishness. That is what I was trying to relate. Most people(inexperienced) would mistake this for a undesirable trait. However, as you stated it goes away. I have found these lines to be very loyal to one maybe two people.(BTW I have 2 Gero daughters and 2 Art daughters at my kennel). A whole bunch of attitude!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Getting ready to breed one of the Art daughters to Rocky. Should be some interesting aggression there.

I have just bred a Czech male import, Mec z Kozlikovno Dvora SVV1, to my Leerburg female . He is the son of Titus z Pohranicni straze SP/PS, does anyone have any info on Titus? I've heard he is a solid black but don't know much else of his progeny or his abilities. Joe