Kevin, what sort of improvements for breeding and competeing do you feel should be adopted by USA? I would guess that perhaps you've had time to think of some ways that the system could be improved upon! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I know this may be a bit off topic, but it is about the USA and the future of the USA. The new helper program is going to be voted on at the GB meeting as well. Their have been many rumors spread about the new program, many of which are pure BS politics (if you can believe that?) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The program may have some flaws here or there, but I think overall it is a very good beginning. And given a few years to develop I think it will benefit the USA both on a local level and the National level.

The new program is on the USA web site under the helper program and under the education link. Please those of you that are USA members check it out and see for yourselves what the program is all about and get other members that may not be on this board to check it out and hopefully get it passed at this years GB meeting. Change does not come easy, but things must change if the USA wants helper for their clubs and future trials.

As I am writing this the New England Regional are taking place. I spoke with someone that was there for the helper try-outs and it sounds like it was quite a circus. Helpers getting appointed before try-outs, other helpers told they can only try-out for one half or the other. Then the helpers get switch from front to back after they were assigned their spots, what a going on!

Doug

A ZTP or similar type of simple breed test would be a Godsend to the working GSD in the US.

Ksaid," I think that's exactly what I've been talking about. A stand alone breed worthiness program not constrained by the rule and perceived need to do exactly what the SV does."

What would you like to see the new stand alone program consist of that would be different from what it is now....

I understand the generality of your previous statements, I am more interested in what the fine details of your ideas would be.I think that with all of the experience you have and the variety of systems that you have seen, you must have ideas on how we could do it better <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ( they say the Devil is in the details, right??! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

The SV has a BH, a SchH title (or HGH), a show rating. . .not to mention KKL. . .thats takes a lot here in the states.

Lot of work for what it is worth as a breed suitability test if you ask me. A zillion black and red dogs do it all the time, and it doesn't mean squat.


Take a look at the Rotty ZTP test and you'll get an idea of what a simple all-in-one breed test could look like. I think the Malinois K is great. USA should look at that.

Thanks , very interesting and logical ideas....what are the chances of these types of ideas ever getting put into effect?

What exactly is a DMC kkl system? It seems that the kkl3 then, for whatever it is, would then be highest?
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It seems to me there is no reason for breeders not to test their dogs with their own set of standards that incorporate similar requirements of a DMC kkl system. Of course it wouldn't be officially sanctioned and there is the problem of having someone objective evaluate the dogs, but it might be better than the currently sanctioned schutzhund which does not neccesarily tap into the character traits that are required for a police service dog.
It might also help to go to a PennHIP system where you could get valid hip results sooner than two years.

No question that everyone should test their own breeding stock. Here's the problem though, if I test my breeding stock what does that mean to you?

Nothing.


There needs to be a uniform title so you can prove it.