I believe you are missing the point. There is no need to insult all other training and titles because from your vast experience and knowledge you find them un-worthy. No one is saying that any single thing makes any dog the best choice for breeding.
That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. But from the other point of view, that sch is not superior to other dog sports. It was implied that unless a dog was breed surveyed with a sch title then it was inferior and not good enough to be bred.
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We must have a different understanding of the written word, because I don't see where anyone implied or said anything of the kind, and the only one putting down any sport at all is YOU. Correct me if I am wrong, but if I recall correctly, you are just starting a pup in schutzhund and your previous dog was 16 months old or something like that? It seems like you are merely repeating what you have heard rather than speaking from what you know. You say you "do" schutzhund, really? How many years? To what level have you trained? Until you have been there and done that, how would you even know WHAT it is?
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Also NO ONE said they would buy a pup soley based on the parents being breed surveyed. Again, these are minimums. As to "sooo many people leaving schutzhund" Huh? Where do you get this stuff? There is no mass exodus from schutzhund, though I am surprised you would waste your time on something you seem to feel is beneath you.
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lol I dont do AKC so how would I know...
Ohhh, I see - you don't actually have *any* experience regarding the sport ( AKC Obedience ) but you're sure that the titles don't mean anything.....
Way to go, you've got it all figured out and you don't even need to learn about the subject to be an expert!
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I have my opinions and I will stick to them and dont give me that "inexperienced handler" crap. Whenever one of your "crew" members have a different approach or opinion NO ONE questions them. I will stick to my belief.
Just as an FYI, this is a *working dog forum* - opinions that can't be backed up by facts or experience don't count for much here.
Someone with no experience and the attitude that you're showing in your posts isn't going to learn anything because you think you know it all already - which is a common behavior seen in teenagers, so maybe we should cut you some slack here and wait for you to grow up and learn just how much you don't know.
I NEVER put myself off as an expert, so just because I'm inexperienced my opinion doesnt matter? My sport of choice is Schutzhund, but I was speaking for the underdog in this case, something I do typically. The breeder's stud dog is Max correct? And I believe he is a certified SAR dog. So he is not breed worthy because he is saving people instead of biting them? What is a "working dog" Will? Please inform me what traits are considered a working dog and what arent. Because if a SAR isnt a "real" working dog, then I dont know what is.
Susan, this breeder was put down because her dogs arent breed surveyed, yet the stud dog is a SAR dog. You cant have everything in this world, an my point was that everyone has their own opinions and uses for their breeding program, and one dog shouldnt be dismissed because it serves a different purpose other than Schutzhund.
So why would I put down a sport I participate in if it wasnt to prove a point?? You dont like it when your sport (or job) of choice is questioned do you?
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What is a "working dog" Will? Please inform me what traits are considered a working dog and what arent. isnt
Aledia, I have to agree with others here that you seem to be having difficulty reading. Why ask me what I consider a working dog? I simply made a point regarding your foolish statement about AKC titles not being "real" - your own words.
Here's your statement again, in case you've forgotten it:
"(and I mean REAL titles not CGC's or AKC stuff)"
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You dont like it when your sport (or job) of choice is questioned do you?
Actually, I just point that when someone questions a sport but has *ZERO* knowledge of said sport ( and then advertises their ignorance by saying: "lol I dont do AKC so how would I know..."
the statement comes off as both pompous and ignorant.
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Will: I typed a response, but then I saw yours (we were typing at the same time). You said it better than me, I think to go beyond this is pointless. Please go ahead and delete this post.
What is a "working dog" Will? Please inform me what traits are considered a working dog and what arent. isnt
Aledia, I have to agree with others here that you seem to be having difficulty reading. Why ask me what I consider a working dog? I simply made a point regarding your foolish statement about AKC titles not being "real" - your own words.
Here's your statement again, in case you've forgotten it:
"(and I mean REAL titles not CGC's or AKC stuff)"
Quote: aleida cebreco
You dont like it when your sport (or job) of choice is questioned do you?
Actually, I just point that when someone questions a sport but has *ZERO* knowledge of said sport ( and then advertises their ignorance by saying: "lol I dont do AKC so how would I know..."
the statement comes off as both pompous and ignorant.
Will, to you, is a UD title enough to breed a dog? I was reffering to "real working dog titles". Ones that test a dog in more than one element. Titles that prove breed worthiness.
You still didnt answer my question...you dont like it when inexperienced people pass judgement on your sport of choice or wahtever venue you decide to pursue with your dog. Why is it any different from the other point of view. You all keep going back to my maturity and experience (yet you know nothing about me) and avoiding the questions. Stop using that as an excuse....
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